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In reply to the discussion: "Greenwald is an advocate, not a journalist" This is important to remember. [View all]cascadiance
(19,537 posts)115. When a state's system has broken down, there often is no way a whistleblowers can "follow rules"...
... to be one effectively. We're at that stage when "state secrets privilege" and countless other mechanisms including indicting and imprisoning people who try to be "legitimate" whistleblowers "by the rules" are rendered ineffective by our present system.
We have to realize that we may need as a people to reconsider that what defines a "legitimate whistleblower" in reality isn't possible within our current corrupt system of government where it is needed most.
And like many other human beings, I'm sure that each of these whistleblowers have their flaws and many can be distracted in to just focusing on criticizing or even prosecuting those "flaws" instead of tackling the real substance of the problems they bring to our attention. We need to find a way to look objectively at the problems of our government of today, and not be manipulated away from dealing with them. We ultimately all will be the losers if we don't.
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"Greenwald is an advocate, not a journalist" This is important to remember. [View all]
Catherina
Jun 2013
OP
I love that Glenn is rattling the party sycophants and the big media tools in one fell swoop
Maven
Jun 2013
#2
Does Greenwald *really* want to open up the Iraq can of worms, given what he was doing in 2003?
Recursion
Jun 2013
#4
Probably 55. But one doesn't ( I don't) expect as much from Hillary. For obvious reasons. n/t
Smarmie Doofus
Jun 2013
#74
How old was Hillary? And has she had the courage to admit how wrong she was as Greenwald did
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#125
Actually, I agree. It is somewhat disconcerting that he didn't oppose Iraq from the get-go...
Smarmie Doofus
Jun 2013
#133
That's what I thought, but figured I might have missed something. Thanks. n/t
cui bono
Jun 2013
#130
The President has not only confirmed 'Snowden's lies' but has explained them.
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#142
I cannot help but notice a very particular tone to the comments of those in opposition to your
MADem
Jun 2013
#171
The "evolving view" isn't his problem. It's the "high horse" that gives him deserved trouble. nt
MADem
Jun 2013
#119
I don't think someone who lives in the public eye can be an asshole on twitter--or anywhere else--
MADem
Jun 2013
#138
How can one quote a small portion of the preface to "How Would A Patriot Act"
Maedhros
Jun 2013
#140
Good grief, and I ask this question quite sincerely--are you dull of comprehension, or are you
MADem
Jun 2013
#146
Well, to return to my Whitey Bulger analogy, just because Whitey tells you that he was
MADem
Jun 2013
#167
What was he doing? He was a private citizen. He hadn't written a book, he hadn't appeared on TV &
Luminous Animal
Jun 2013
#63
Yes, why wouldn't he? He was one of the few people who initially supported Bush's war who when
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#116
To the conservative mind, all whistle blowers are criminals. All challenges to authoritarian leader
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#6
To the racist mind, all Black men are niggers. And they should be challenged every time . . .
Major Hogwash
Jun 2013
#11
You used the N word OMG! Scream raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacism!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
xtraxritical
Jun 2013
#24
I don't understand what your comment has to do with what the person you are responding to said. n/t
totodeinhere
Jun 2013
#33
BINGO. This whole "what side are you on" debate comes down to people who...
NoodleyAppendage
Jun 2013
#89
Well said,. the victims behave sadly like victims, looking for an oppressor.
Civilization2
Jun 2013
#98
Authoritarians come in every political flavor in the spectrum. I think it's a reflection of
patrice
Jun 2013
#156
"Yellow journalism" is what it used to be called. *That's* what he really does.
baldguy
Jun 2013
#60
Gregary? You are being kind. He is a dancing partner of Karl Rove, accurately described
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#114
Well, you are free to show me where I am wrong. Absent that, I assume you agree. It would be
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#121
News is what somebody somewhere wants to suppress; all the rest is advertising. - Lord Northcliffe
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jun 2013
#12
Twitter, not tweeter old man. And what you typed up is NOT what was in the exchange
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2013
#55
This is bizarre-- I've been repeatedly asked/ordered by BOGers to put them on ignore, too.
Marr
Jun 2013
#106
I know, me too. I guess the ignore button is hard to find or something. And the old 'stalking'
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#123
Okay, since you're calling it a tweeter account I guess that you don't realize
cui bono
Jun 2013
#94
He pointed out a fact, unless you forgot the news media participation in the push for Bush's
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#120
Your whole theory that folks need to silently get kicked in the nuts to show they are sincre
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2013
#53
I thought I told you to stop presuming to order me about. This is a discussion board if you
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2013
#64
it's a discussion board, to discuss issues. You can keep your orders and your words about
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2013
#79
It wasn't Greenwald who made it about Greenwald. It's everyone casting aspersions at Greenwald
dorkulon
Jun 2013
#132
I think it's funny when the Obama blind defenders morph into bush defenders. Classic!
morningfog
Jun 2013
#92
The better question is "Why did so many of our politicians pretend not to know this?"
Catherina
Jun 2013
#69
Just because he's not doing the aluminum tube thing doesn't mean he isn't doing its equivalent
patrice
Jun 2013
#78
I don't doubt that what ES says is true. My comparison is about how the information is being used,
patrice
Jun 2013
#150
He's helping Snowden who is a Ron Paul devotee, but I do stand corrected as to his personal views.nt
patrice
Jun 2013
#154
Hillary believed in the aluminum tubes also and used that as a basis to vote for the Iraq war
Fumesucker
Jun 2013
#87
You (and others) have seized upon one passage from "How Would A Patriot Act?"
Maedhros
Jun 2013
#118
I guess you don't qualify as a "journalist" unless you shill for a major corporate media outlet ..
Ganja Ninja
Jun 2013
#99
Snowden is not a whistle blower in the technical sense. He didn't follow the rules in order
SlimJimmy
Jun 2013
#104
When a state's system has broken down, there often is no way a whistleblowers can "follow rules"...
cascadiance
Jun 2013
#115
The problem we have, as I see it, is that the current whistle blower statutes need
SlimJimmy
Jun 2013
#131
What you say is precisely why we need a system of better protection for whistleblowers...
cascadiance
Jun 2013
#135
I generally agree with what you've said, but I particularly liked the part I
SlimJimmy
Jun 2013
#137
Exactly. Looks like he's hearing from the people on his Twitter account. No wonder the MSM has
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#147