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Glorfindel

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53. I remember being drafted when I was 20 and had had to quit college because my father died

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 01:34 PM

Jun 2013

The 18, 19, and 20-year-olds I served with were kids. Snowden is not a kid. I'm sorry. He's not. 29 is plenty old enough to be aware of consequences. If he believes he did what he did out of principle, he should be prepared to endure whatever is coming his way.

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I wasn't against Snowden and was laughing when people called him a spy but... [View all] allin99 Jun 2013 OP

Predatorial...And now he's surprised his life has been turned upside down BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #1

The NYT article is a good one. longship Jun 2013 #5

I remember being 29 years old and not knowing what the hell I was doing BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #9

I remember being drafted when I was 20 and had had to quit college because my father died Glorfindel Jun 2013 #53

Not, apparently, if it means lack of access to a personal computer BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #55

I read it too. Worth the read! LeftInTX Jun 2013 #61

What does NSA do? Spy Downwinder Jun 2013 #2

And there you have it. Quantess Jun 2013 #90

And yet he still didn't have the access he claimed. randome Jun 2013 #3

serious question, then why is the u.s... allin99 Jun 2013 #6

Obviously because he also stole documents and apparently gave away secrets to China. randome Jun 2013 #11

at this point that's almost irrelevant` cali Jun 2013 #27

The only 'national security state' is what Snowden claims. randome Jun 2013 #33

And what Binney claims and what Drake claims and what other whistleblowers claims and cali Jun 2013 #36

More claims without evidence, though. randome Jun 2013 #41

There's an abundance of evidence but you're like the small child cali Jun 2013 #42

if he's so inconsequential, don't you feel kind of stupid... grasswire Jun 2013 #54

I don't consider myself 'stupid' for asking questions. randome Jun 2013 #56

I don't see you waiting for evidence. grasswire Jun 2013 #58

Ah yes, and some people are fine with people betraying their oath, their country and okaawhatever Jun 2013 #74

Why does this posting remind me of this guy? hedgehog Jun 2013 #4

Everytime I go to DU I see a version of this OP over and over by the same old people. Peregrine Took Jun 2013 #30

oh, i didn't know it was out. i've been following the snowden... allin99 Jun 2013 #32

I thought that was obvious lol Catherina Jun 2013 #7

That would be like, 1 out of every 250 Americans! Wow. Guess I will be a little friendlier to the silvershadow Jun 2013 #13

Lol and that's just Top Secret. I don't know what the numbers for Secret are. Catherina Jun 2013 #16

F'Pete's sake. My dad was no spy, but he had a "Secret" clearance to work on a POTUS airplane Hekate Jun 2013 #68

What do you think a Systems Administrator would have seen that horrified him? randome Jun 2013 #18

evidently he saw a great deal according to people like DiFi cali Jun 2013 #29

'Evidently'? Where is the evidence? randome Jun 2013 #39

"Huh. Greenwald said he's been working with Snowden since February..." ProSense Jun 2013 #8

Hoping to get a Greenwald indictment, are we? JackRiddler Jun 2013 #28

Snowden's actions were premeditated. ProSense Jun 2013 #34

So was the creation of a criminal government. JackRiddler Jun 2013 #45

There is always impeachment. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #46

Cute, your limited view of the state. JackRiddler Jun 2013 #49

Highly transparent question. JackRiddler Jun 2013 #48

Agreed. Should we do a count of pro and anti posts? I see the same okaawhatever Jun 2013 #73

This is news? nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #10

the HK paper said it was the first time he... allin99 Jun 2013 #15

About what you said about other countries. NSA was crashing critical systems in hospitals Catherina Jun 2013 #12

Yeah, i hear you... allin99 Jun 2013 #17

Are you going by what Snowden said? randome Jun 2013 #20

squawk, squawk. he was a system administrator. he was a systems administrator cali Jun 2013 #31

A Systems Administrator is someone who manages the network. Fixes printers. randome Jun 2013 #37

oh fer fuck's sake. none of that means he didn't have access. cali Jun 2013 #40

All internal office documents. He did not have the access of an Intelligence Analyst. randome Jun 2013 #44

I'm damned glad he spilled the beans. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #21

I haven't seen verification of the US hacking China's hospitals. I have seen okaawhatever Jun 2013 #77

Apparently he was quite successful nt bemildred Jun 2013 #14

Let me ask you something...... Th1onein Jun 2013 #19

good question marions ghost Jun 2013 #22

my personal opinion... allin99 Jun 2013 #23

That's a very bad attitude to have. Th1onein Jun 2013 #64

why, cuz i don't care if we spy on someone who's spying on us? allin99 Jun 2013 #67

Your mama never taught you that two wrongs don't make a right? Th1onein Jun 2013 #69

i never said it was right that 2 gov'ts spy on each other, i said i don't care... allin99 Jun 2013 #70

Allin99, asking you if your mother taught you something is NOT personal Th1onein Jun 2013 #72

Now you've done it. They have put you on ignore. No worries, I'll put you on a friends list nt okaawhatever Jun 2013 #76

: ) allin99 Jun 2013 #85

"Unalienable rights" is not the Bill of Rights JackRiddler Jun 2013 #43

Thank you, Jack Riddler, for clearning that up for me, and for others. Th1onein Jun 2013 #65

Absolutely. JackRiddler Jun 2013 #71

The Consitution only applies to US persons jeff47 Jun 2013 #59

Bullshit. Th1onein Jun 2013 #66

It's your theory that the US system of government applies to everyone worldwide? struggle4progress Jun 2013 #79

Human rights are the same, the world over. Th1onein Jun 2013 #86

This subthread seems to concern the US Constitution, which is the document struggle4progress Jun 2013 #87

Human rights are human rights. Don't think you can take that one apart. Th1onein Jun 2013 #89

Because we don't believe in these rights "for human beings". jeff47 Jun 2013 #83

I've felt for awhile that he may be being manipulated jimlup Jun 2013 #24

i look forward to hearing from him why... allin99 Jun 2013 #25

I don't think he's actually "given the information up to countries that..." jimlup Jun 2013 #47

You have way more faith in the kindness of foreign govts than I do. I cannot imagine okaawhatever Jun 2013 #78

Ultimately we don't know... that would require that they confiscate his laptops. jimlup Jun 2013 #88

How is all that privatization of our national security working out for us? Cleita Jun 2013 #26

even without blame i'm glad it's out... allin99 Jun 2013 #35

I don't blame Obama either, yet. grasswire Jun 2013 #57

What does it matter, none of it's true, or it's old news, whatever we're going with this week. n/t hughee99 Jun 2013 #38

That's also where I drew the line. pnwmom Jun 2013 #50

And when did he take that earlier vacation to Hong Kong? pnwmom Jun 2013 #51

I told you guys he LIED about what be said about the collection of data on Americans. DevonRex Jun 2013 #52

" played everybody like a fucking fiddle" Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #60

so why are people believing that he gave no u.s. information away but did... allin99 Jun 2013 #62

Easy answer. The first was to get public opinion on his side. He'll need it. For the treason DevonRex Jun 2013 #63

You mean sweet kind heroic Snowden planned to release info about old programs of okaawhatever Jun 2013 #80

He's a traitor of the worst kind. This could mean loss of life in Syria. DevonRex Jun 2013 #84

Michael Tomasky agrees with you, allin.. Cha Jun 2013 #75

Intent, no you can't touch him for that davidpdx Jun 2013 #81

I missed the memo ... GeorgeGist Jun 2013 #82