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125. How old was Hillary? And has she had the courage to admit how wrong she was as Greenwald did

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 01:35 PM

Jun 2013

publicly himself, which is the only reason anyone knows what his opinions were at that time, being he was not even a public figure but just another citizen at the time.

He was probably in his late 20s or early 30s. And without the inside knowledge many of our Democratic leaders had. As soon as he found out we were lied to, he began his campaign to expose the lies.

Didn't you wish back then that there were more like Greenwald, who knew we had been lied to but refused to admit it? I was always thrilled when a former supporter of the war woke up and said so publicly.

Remember how thrilled everyone was when a Republican blogger finally woke up? He's still a hero to the 'left' for seeing the light and saying so.

Good for Greenwald for his willingness to look at the facts and admitting he was wrong as soon as he realized it.

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"Greenwald is an advocate, not a journalist" This is important to remember. [View all] Catherina Jun 2013 OP

Lol. dkf Jun 2013 #1

I love that Glenn is rattling the party sycophants and the big media tools in one fell swoop Maven Jun 2013 #2

LOVE it. Spanked David Gregory on MTP! He's a true JOURNALIST. Fearless. chimpymustgo Jun 2013 #5

Lol, he made minced meat of Gregary, friend and dancing partner of Rove. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #113

Gregory actually said it wasn't his role to challenge annabanana Jun 2013 #128

Lol, we knew that. His job is to 'catapult the propaganda'! sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #141

What role did Rattner play in the aluminum tubes story? struggle4progress Jun 2013 #68

Did he call Judy Miller an advocate? JackRiddler Jun 2013 #101

None, but he has a blog at the NYT Babel_17 Jun 2013 #102

LOL! Fucking with Greenwald is not a pastime for the wise. nt Poll_Blind Jun 2013 #3

Does Greenwald *really* want to open up the Iraq can of worms, given what he was doing in 2003? Recursion Jun 2013 #4

Greenwald agreed with Hillary about Iraq Fumesucker Jun 2013 #9

Still, that's a biggie... mistake-wise. How old was he? n/t Smarmie Doofus Jun 2013 #25

How old was Hillary? Fumesucker Jun 2013 #51

Probably 55. But one doesn't ( I don't) expect as much from Hillary. For obvious reasons. n/t Smarmie Doofus Jun 2013 #74

How old was Hillary? And has she had the courage to admit how wrong she was as Greenwald did sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #125

Actually, I agree. It is somewhat disconcerting that he didn't oppose Iraq from the get-go... Smarmie Doofus Jun 2013 #133

He hasn't admitted he was mistaken about Snowden yet. baldguy Jun 2013 #58

What are the lies? cui bono Jun 2013 #93

Snowden's revelations of the NSA blanket surveillance program Maedhros Jun 2013 #108

That's what I thought, but figured I might have missed something. Thanks. n/t cui bono Jun 2013 #130

The President has not only confirmed 'Snowden's lies' but has explained them. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #142

Snowden's central allegation - which has been repeated here by his sycophants baldguy Jun 2013 #145

& the DU haters will act like you never wrote this post ... eom Kolesar Jun 2013 #149

+1 patrice Jun 2013 #155

I cannot help but notice a very particular tone to the comments of those in opposition to your MADem Jun 2013 #171

Spot on... MrMickeysMom Jun 2013 #165

Indeed..the willingness to ADMIT "Criminality" is a Mark of Character.... KoKo Jun 2013 #85

Maybe like me, Greenwald is so keen on watching for lies because JDPriestly Jun 2013 #28

Point goes to Recursion. East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #54

My thought, as well... MADem Jun 2013 #56

In 2003 he may have accepted the war in Iraq Maedhros Jun 2013 #110

The "evolving view" isn't his problem. It's the "high horse" that gives him deserved trouble. nt MADem Jun 2013 #119

Well said. B Stieg Jun 2013 #126

I can accept that you don't like his writing style. Maedhros Jun 2013 #129

This has NOTHING to do with his "writing style." MADem Jun 2013 #134

Oh - you're referring to Twitter flame wars. Maedhros Jun 2013 #136

I don't think someone who lives in the public eye can be an asshole on twitter--or anywhere else-- MADem Jun 2013 #138

How can one quote a small portion of the preface to "How Would A Patriot Act" Maedhros Jun 2013 #140

Good grief, and I ask this question quite sincerely--are you dull of comprehension, or are you MADem Jun 2013 #146

Not quite. Maedhros Jun 2013 #148

Well, he wasn't telling the truth about THAT either. MADem Jun 2013 #158

I've posted Greenwald's response to your assertions previously Maedhros Jun 2013 #163

But they don't "debunk" them in the slightest. MADem Jun 2013 #164

He answers all your accusations Maedhros Jun 2013 #166

Well, to return to my Whitey Bulger analogy, just because Whitey tells you that he was MADem Jun 2013 #167

Greenwald is pro-civil liberties, anti-war and anti-security state. Maedhros Jun 2013 #168

He also found "Constitutional" excuses for the Citizens United ruling. MADem Jun 2013 #169

As I've demonstrated with actual links and evidence, Maedhros Jun 2013 #153

Two answers to one post don't make your case. Big Fail. GG lied. MADem Jun 2013 #160

You don't much about Twitter do you? sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #127

What was he doing? He was a private citizen. He hadn't written a book, he hadn't appeared on TV & Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #63

Yes, why wouldn't he? He was one of the few people who initially supported Bush's war who when sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #116

To the conservative mind, all whistle blowers are criminals. All challenges to authoritarian leader rhett o rick Jun 2013 #6

To the racist mind, all Black men are niggers. And they should be challenged every time . . . Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #11

That's a strange way of agreeing with my post. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #14

You used the N word OMG! Scream raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacism!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! xtraxritical Jun 2013 #24

What a disgusting response. /nt Marr Jun 2013 #30

I think a significant portion of Americans sulphurdunn Jun 2013 #32

I don't understand what your comment has to do with what the person you are responding to said. n/t totodeinhere Jun 2013 #33

It's all they've got nxylas Jun 2013 #35

Major Hogwash indeed. dorkulon Jun 2013 #38

From here on it's Captain Hogwash. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #90

This poster is aptly named. n/t Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #41

You should talk? Smarmie Doofus Jun 2013 #76

Nice post, Paula Deen. morningfog Jun 2013 #91

That was completely uncalled for, and added nothing to your post. (nt) SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #103

BINGO. This whole "what side are you on" debate comes down to people who... NoodleyAppendage Jun 2013 #89

Well said,. the victims behave sadly like victims, looking for an oppressor. Civilization2 Jun 2013 #98

Authoritarians come in every political flavor in the spectrum. I think it's a reflection of patrice Jun 2013 #156

K & R AzDar Jun 2013 #7

"Advocacy journalism" is what it used to be called. That's what he does. Smarmie Doofus Jun 2013 #8

I put it in quotes now to make it clear that's not my opinion. n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #10

+1. n/t Smarmie Doofus Jun 2013 #26

"Investigative Journalism" would be appropriate too. bvar22 Jun 2013 #20

"Yellow journalism" is what it used to be called. *That's* what he really does. baldguy Jun 2013 #60

Gregary? You are being kind. He is a dancing partner of Karl Rove, accurately described sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #114

Being deliberatly obtuse doesn't help your cause. baldguy Jun 2013 #117

Well, you are free to show me where I am wrong. Absent that, I assume you agree. It would be sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #121

News is what somebody somewhere wants to suppress; all the rest is advertising. - Lord Northcliffe Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #12

Once a car czar, always a car czar. Octafish Jun 2013 #13

Rattner go away Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #15

Rattner is a rat-scampering two-faced tool that sold his soul to the Devil... kentuck Jun 2013 #16

The Rich Get Even Richer (By Steven Rattner NYT March 25, 2012) struggle4progress Jun 2013 #70

And if he were an "advocate" ? kentuck Jun 2013 #17

Of course 1st comes before 4th, doesn't it? Ford_Prefect Jun 2013 #19

Hell of a reply by Greenwald Autumn Jun 2013 #18

Background: bvar22 Jun 2013 #21

Iow, Rattner is a Wall St Corporate shill. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #122

Whoa! That's going to leave a mark. Th1onein Jun 2013 #22

Youch. Protip: Consider your Greenwald slams carefully. DirkGently Jun 2013 #23

Greenwald was being ironic because our journalists do not do the job JDPriestly Jun 2013 #27

lol!!!! k&r for Greenwald. Little Star Jun 2013 #29

While ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #31

Childish? ForgoTheConsequence Jun 2013 #34

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #36

What insult did he use? ForgoTheConsequence Jun 2013 #37

Never mind ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #42

I actually disagree... ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2013 #44

I would have no problem ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #49

Twitter, not tweeter old man. And what you typed up is NOT what was in the exchange Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #55

I thought I asked you to place me on ignore! n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #59

Why would I care? Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #65

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #77

This is bizarre-- I've been repeatedly asked/ordered by BOGers to put them on ignore, too. Marr Jun 2013 #106

I know, me too. I guess the ignore button is hard to find or something. And the old 'stalking' sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #123

Okay, since you're calling it a tweeter account I guess that you don't realize cui bono Jun 2013 #94

He pointed out a fact, unless you forgot the news media participation in the push for Bush's sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #120

If you're a journalist who's been accused of not being a journalist, dorkulon Jun 2013 #39

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #43

Your whole theory that folks need to silently get kicked in the nuts to show they are sincre Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #53

I thought I asked you to place me on ignore! n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #57

I thought I told you to stop presuming to order me about. This is a discussion board if you Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #64

So ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #75

it's a discussion board, to discuss issues. You can keep your orders and your words about Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #79

But you are NOT discussing issues ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #81

And Rattner made it about the man. Why didn't he stick to the story? sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #124

It wasn't Greenwald who made it about Greenwald. It's everyone casting aspersions at Greenwald dorkulon Jun 2013 #132

Nonsense. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #48

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #50

Rattner has no credibility, Greenwald's point is valid, Hissyspit Jun 2013 #52

How stupid. He throws out a strawman to defend himself and DU'ers cheer. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #40

Strawman? ForgoTheConsequence Jun 2013 #46

What role did Rattner play in the aluminum tubes story? struggle4progress Jun 2013 #67

No said he did. ForgoTheConsequence Jun 2013 #73

So it's an irrelevant distraction from Greenwald struggle4progress Jun 2013 #80

he was a member of the goddamned media establishment that lied us into war? burnodo Jun 2013 #151

I thought he left journalism in the early 80s and went into finance struggle4progress Jun 2013 #157

No. ReRe Jun 2013 #96

I think it's funny when the Obama blind defenders morph into bush defenders. Classic! morningfog Jun 2013 #92

No, they're still defending Obama. Maedhros Jun 2013 #111

k&r... spanone Jun 2013 #45

love it, and people dare to criticize snowden for talking to the chinese press Monkie Jun 2013 #47

Greenwald doesn't report the news, he manufactures it. MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #61

This is slightly OT, but.... Jarla Jun 2013 #62

And we have a big ole "BINGO". I was far from college...... socialist_n_TN Jun 2013 #66

I have been saying Caretha Jun 2013 #100

The better question is "Why did so many of our politicians pretend not to know this?" Catherina Jun 2013 #69

Yes, that's a good point. Jarla Jun 2013 #72

K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #71

Just because he's not doing the aluminum tube thing doesn't mean he isn't doing its equivalent patrice Jun 2013 #78

Neither is okay rpannier Jun 2013 #95

I place much more weight on the fact that there have been multiple Maedhros Jun 2013 #112

I don't doubt that what ES says is true. My comparison is about how the information is being used, patrice Jun 2013 #150

The LIbertarian Conspiracy Theory falls apart. Maedhros Jun 2013 #152

He's helping Snowden who is a Ron Paul devotee, but I do stand corrected as to his personal views.nt patrice Jun 2013 #154

when greenwald said; dionysus Jun 2013 #82

Hillary believed in the aluminum tubes also and used that as a basis to vote for the Iraq war Fumesucker Jun 2013 #87

You (and others) have seized upon one passage from "How Would A Patriot Act?" Maedhros Jun 2013 #118

Rattner, another insider dirtbag. Daniel537 Jun 2013 #83

Definitely a "Good One," Catherina! KoKo Jun 2013 #84

Ouch. I think they're going to stop engaging Greenwald Doctor_J Jun 2013 #86

K&R! nt Mnemosyne Jun 2013 #88

K&R ReRe Jun 2013 #97

I guess you don't qualify as a "journalist" unless you shill for a major corporate media outlet .. Ganja Ninja Jun 2013 #99

Snowden is not a whistle blower in the technical sense. He didn't follow the rules in order SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #104

When a state's system has broken down, there often is no way a whistleblowers can "follow rules"... cascadiance Jun 2013 #115

The problem we have, as I see it, is that the current whistle blower statutes need SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #131

What you say is precisely why we need a system of better protection for whistleblowers... cascadiance Jun 2013 #135

I generally agree with what you've said, but I particularly liked the part I SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #137

So� he's like Limbaugh railsback Jun 2013 #105

Gregory, dancing partner of Rove, is just the MSM version of Limbaugh. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #143

He's not a journalist, he's an activist�like Limbaugh railsback Jun 2013 #144

Exactly. Looks like he's hearing from the people on his Twitter account. No wonder the MSM has sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #147

Speaking of criminals..... alsame Jun 2013 #107

bla-yayam! tomm2thumbs Jun 2013 #109

that is awesome yurbud Jun 2013 #139

LOL Savannahmann Jun 2013 #159

The new meme now is Snowden has info on CIA operatives Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #161

Totally right. I was just reading something about that too Catherina Jun 2013 #172

A pot calling a pot a pot. LanternWaste Jun 2013 #162

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2013 #170