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HappyMe

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48. People have been hunting and fishing since forever.

Reply to darkangel218 (Reply #47)

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 03:00 PM

Jun 2013

That isn't likely to stop.
I'm not disagreeing about lions, elephants, tigers, whales, dolphins....

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Humans are NOT superior to the other species. [View all] darkangel218 Jun 2013 OP

What bible gargle are you talking about? HappyMe Jun 2013 #1

Where they claim "god" created animals to serve humans. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #3

Search on "dominion over animals" - pretty creepy if you ask me. DreamGypsy Jun 2013 #13

I guess I always throught there was a difference between life long demo Jun 2013 #68

Not much difference in the definitions... DreamGypsy Jun 2013 #82

Almost as creepy as "stewardship" LanternWaste Jun 2013 #74

At least "stewardship"--a more accurate translation I believe-- truebluegreen Jun 2013 #83

So we shouldn't ride horses, HappyMe Jun 2013 #17

I havent said that. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #35

You do realize that your op pretty much contradicts this argument, right? Drahthaardogs Jun 2013 #154

Than how do you explain the pollution and exctinction of other species?? darkangel218 Jun 2013 #155

I could consider this more closely if the dog wasn't humping my leg. rug Jun 2013 #2

:p darkangel218 Jun 2013 #4

LOL! randome Jun 2013 #5

!!! pinboy3niner Jun 2013 #6

What rug said Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #7

And...second laugh of the day! randome Jun 2013 #10

Someone has to say DUzy panader0 Jun 2013 #11

DUzy! HappyMe Jun 2013 #20

DUzy, says me... n/t susanna Jun 2013 #130

We are the only species that can consider whether we are superior or not. randome Jun 2013 #8

Bullshit!! we are not!! darkangel218 Jun 2013 #14

with the capacity to engage higher functioning.....it is a distinction. nt galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #22

I'm sorry. HappyMe Jun 2013 #25

A mother lioness will think the same for her cubs. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #47

People have been hunting and fishing since forever. HappyMe Jun 2013 #48

They "hunt" and "fish" too. Like i said, thats not what i was refering to. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #52

We use our intelligence for other than abuse, you know. randome Jun 2013 #28

I dont disagree with you on that. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #59

Not as much as I would like to see. randome Jun 2013 #67

Agreed 100%. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #70

Nature might be running out of patience, though. randome Jun 2013 #75

The answer is that only a human would be conserned with such things... Deep13 Jun 2013 #58

And we are the only species that spends hours and hours watching kitteh videos pinboy3niner Jun 2013 #18

So, do you feel pet owners are in effect, like slave owners? quinnox Jun 2013 #9

Sad that our country had laws protecting animals before child labor laws joeglow3 Jun 2013 #27

I think either the SPCA or maybe Humane Society was formed life long demo Jun 2013 #71

SPCA was created in Britain by PM William Wilburforc LanternWaste Jun 2013 #79

Don't animals belong in the wild? n/t alp227 Jun 2013 #119

Nature is cruel. Brickbat Jun 2013 #12

Correct. But let nature be nature!!! darkangel218 Jun 2013 #19

"For the good of humanity"? Brickbat Jun 2013 #23

You refer to as nature, when we go and destroy habitats and forests?? darkangel218 Jun 2013 #39

How can it not be nature? Dr. Strange Jun 2013 #64

Then there is something wrong with us, if we feel its ok to destroy the planet for our silly shit. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #69

The planet was here long before humans... SidDithers Jun 2013 #72

With what kind of life on it, or any? nt truebluegreen Jun 2013 #84

Yup. With some kind of life on it... SidDithers Jun 2013 #89

If we manage to engender runaway warming, probably not. truebluegreen Jun 2013 #93

Earth abides... SidDithers Jun 2013 #95

As I said truebluegreen Jun 2013 #97

Does a tree need more branches? Dr. Strange Jun 2013 #76

Superior perheps from your personal exeprience. Can you say the same for your fellow humans though? darkangel218 Jun 2013 #96

How about "silly shit" like electricity and modern medicine.... Pelican Jun 2013 #159

So, are we part of nature or not? nt Deep13 Jun 2013 #98

yeah, we are. we may well not be better than other species but cali Jun 2013 #15

Thats the point. The way humanity is going about treating othet species is downright messed up. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #21

Maybe, if we can get real climate change action in place, it will inspire us... randome Jun 2013 #40

This is true. dolphins and whales have larger and more complicated brains than human beings Nika Jun 2013 #16

"Operate in a very ethical manner"?!? You don't know your cetaceans, do you? X_Digger Jun 2013 #43

I knew that was basically correct, I just couldn't remember exactly what I'd read before. randome Jun 2013 #78

I know that like us, dolphins can be just as conflicted and do exactly what you say. Nika Jun 2013 #126

So they're ethical because they do unethical things? Umm... X_Digger Jun 2013 #131

Humans are generally ethical beings who do unethical things. Nika Jun 2013 #132

Doing 'unethical' things is no proof of being an ethical being. X_Digger Jun 2013 #133

Tursiops truncatus, the bottle nosed dolphin is very strong and has 188 sharp conical teeth Nika Jun 2013 #136

We're talking ethics. X_Digger Jun 2013 #137

I submit they communicate, have culture, and by virtue of that operate within ethical guidelines Nika Jun 2013 #142

No, that's anthropomorphism. X_Digger Jun 2013 #143

I grasp the concepts of culture quite well, thank you. Nika Jun 2013 #144

Yep. Lucinda Jun 2013 #44

We are superior, and it is precisely because we are superior that we have an obligation geek tragedy Jun 2013 #24

This. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #147

"I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself, panader0 Jun 2013 #26

What other species do you know that can shave their own balls? Major Nikon Jun 2013 #29

well yes there's that however azurnoir Jun 2013 #57

You comingle two different points joeglow3 Jun 2013 #30

Fuck if i feel superior. Speak for yourself. nt darkangel218 Jun 2013 #41

The fact that you had the coherent thoughts and ability to type this message make it so joeglow3 Jun 2013 #51

Im not trying to sound like anything, im making a freaking point! darkangel218 Jun 2013 #54

Do you lecture other species when they destroy a species? joeglow3 Jun 2013 #88

They only destroy other species for food or shelter. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #94

You didn't answer his question. Would you lecture a cat, to try to stop it from hunting for fun? nessa Jun 2013 #105

Cats hunt for "fun" because most dont need to eat what they catch anymore darkangel218 Jun 2013 #115

I agree about shooting animals for fun.. but why can't we explain to any cat that he/she.... nessa Jun 2013 #120

i take it you don't have pets, then? Sissyk Jun 2013 #31

Huh?? darkangel218 Jun 2013 #73

My cat rules me, I already know she's superior. Neoma Jun 2013 #100

My leg fell asleep while reading this Tree-Hugger Jun 2013 #32

Couldn't agree more we are just as much animals Arcanetrance Jun 2013 #33

Well I'm not the one who drinks from the toilet. (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #34

Yah, because you force your dog to be indoors. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #42

Humans are domesticated. Neoma Jun 2013 #102

"fend for themselves"... SidDithers Jun 2013 #36

We humans can control ourselves. We aren't like other predators. n/t alp227 Jun 2013 #118

The only thing that matters to most Humans is a mirror. BlueJazz Jun 2013 #37

Awesome. Almost snuck right by me. Reminiscent of Ecclesiastes: HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #150

Why thank you. That's very kind of you. BlueJazz Jun 2013 #152

we may still be a part of nature DonCoquixote Jun 2013 #38

So we should use our counciosness to abuse and destroy others?? darkangel218 Jun 2013 #49

no, because abusing others DonCoquixote Jun 2013 #122

Whatever "sentience" is... hunter Jun 2013 #62

I hope my grandchildren DonCoquixote Jun 2013 #123

We are the only animal I know that fouls its own nest, truebluegreen Jun 2013 #87

Mark Twain said once if you could get a cross between cats & people, it would improve people, but raccoon Jun 2013 #45

I will stipulate that you're not. nt Dreamer Tatum Jun 2013 #46

!!! zappaman Jun 2013 #50

Do you hunt, zappaman? darkangel218 Jun 2013 #56

No. n/t zappaman Jun 2013 #77

Ironic. nt darkangel218 Jun 2013 #80

If you say so. n/t zappaman Jun 2013 #81

I am not, AND NIETHER ARE YOU. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #55

. Deep13 Jun 2013 #99

"We took over this planet, destroying it lil by lil." Deep13 Jun 2013 #53

Depends on what metric you use, I suppose. reflection Jun 2013 #60

Same for the other species. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #66

I thought self-delete was your best friend. RiffRandell Jun 2013 #61

We are only important because we tell ourselves we are. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #63

Where is the unbiased evidence that humans are superior? DreamGypsy Jun 2013 #65

I certainly won't argue that that we better or worse or equal to animals LanternWaste Jun 2013 #85

Jim Mason writes about what I think you're trying to express. CrispyQ Jun 2013 #86

If I fall down a well, Lassie can go get help, but its humans that will save me onenote Jun 2013 #90

I think we are the aliens we have been searching for and do not belong. glinda Jun 2013 #91

We don't deserve to live on our own planet, Quantess Jun 2013 #92

I think it's more of a cultural problem than an overall human problem. Neoma Jun 2013 #103

That, too. But I see it more of a problem with short term selfishness, Quantess Jun 2013 #107

Jane Goodall calls the "but I have so little impact!" Neoma Jun 2013 #108

Maybe not, but I certainly enjoy a few when served between 2 pieces of bread. nt jmg257 Jun 2013 #101

Human meat? ew! Quantess Jun 2013 #110

lmao!!!! darkangel218 Jun 2013 #114

Look around you. Who's smarter your dog or you. All they can to do is bark and try and hump demosincebirth Jun 2013 #104

Do less smart humans have less value? Nt xchrom Jun 2013 #106

When your pet ferret (or whatever) is sick, do you take it to a dolphin (to which you are not bike man Jun 2013 #109

True, but you have lost sense of the bigger picture. Quantess Jun 2013 #111

I see you've met DU's denial brigade. flvegan Jun 2013 #112

Get back to me when you have a discussion about quantum physics with a chimpanzee liberaltrucker Jun 2013 #113

Get back to me when you can physically do what some animals do. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #116

actually,we do stuff better DonCoquixote Jun 2013 #125

Yah, by industrilizing the environment, polluting and destroying it. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #149

Not always DonCoquixote Jun 2013 #156

No, we build machines and fly. Then we build different machines and swim. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #148

Then we form armies and destroy one another. "Progress?" Pfft! - nt HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #153

Also, what does it matter what humans can do, Quantess Jun 2013 #117

Being intelligent does not equal being smart liberaltrucker Jun 2013 #139

We had a blast fishing this weekend. ileus Jun 2013 #121

Agreed MNBrewer Jun 2013 #124

er, when we act with wonton disregard for anything except ourselves, we ARE 'fending for ourselves'. Warren DeMontague Jun 2013 #127

Biologists confirm that. All species are of equal importance ErikJ Jun 2013 #128

Bacteria were here long before us and will remain long after we're gone. RedCappedBandit Jun 2013 #129

Define "superior", please. OldEurope Jun 2013 #134

By exterminating them? darkangel218 Jun 2013 #138

How many dogs have made it to the moon? badtoworse Jun 2013 #135

That we are having this discussion kinda proves you wrong. nt Demo_Chris Jun 2013 #140

This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Jun 2013 #141

I'm no Fundie, but I can't help but disagree with that to a point. AverageJoe90 Jun 2013 #145

Consider your natural world. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #146

Shakespeare, as is so often the case, gets right down to it HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #151

LOL inwiththenew Jun 2013 #157

Agreed. And Americans are NOT superior to the other peoples. Taverner Jun 2013 #158