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In reply to the discussion: "Greenwald is an advocate, not a journalist" This is important to remember. [View all]Maedhros
(10,007 posts)140. How can one quote a small portion of the preface to "How Would A Patriot Act"
and then ignore the entire contents of the book (and the seven years' worth of writing that followed it)?
It's typical character assassination technique - comb through someone's past, find an embarrassing and out-of-context quote, and then spam the forum with it. Sort of like "Al Gore invented the Internet".
Of course he excoriates the people that do this - because they are not presenting his statement in good faith.
This has been posted numerous times, but nobody seems to have read it:
http://ggsidedocs.blogspot.com.br/2013/01/frequently-told-lies-ftls.html
The first part of the preface discusses how Greenwald was essentially an apathetic centrist prior to the Iraq War:
I never voted for George W. Bush or for any of his political opponents. I believed that voting was not particularly important. Our country, it seemed to me, was essentially on the right track. Whether Democrats or Republicans held the White House or the majorities in Congress made only the most marginal difference. . . .
I firmly believed that our democratic system of government was sufficiently insulated from any real abuse, by our Constitution and by the checks and balances afforded by having three separate but equal branches of government. My primary political belief was that both parties were plagued by extremists who were equally dangerous and destructive, but that as long as neither extreme acquired real political power, our system would function smoothly and more or less tolerably. For that reason, although I always paid attention to political debates, I was never sufficiently moved to become engaged in the electoral process. I had great faith in the stability and resilience of the constitutional republic that the founders created.
I firmly believed that our democratic system of government was sufficiently insulated from any real abuse, by our Constitution and by the checks and balances afforded by having three separate but equal branches of government. My primary political belief was that both parties were plagued by extremists who were equally dangerous and destructive, but that as long as neither extreme acquired real political power, our system would function smoothly and more or less tolerably. For that reason, although I always paid attention to political debates, I was never sufficiently moved to become engaged in the electoral process. I had great faith in the stability and resilience of the constitutional republic that the founders created.
He goes on in the side document to explain his relative political naievete at the time:
At the time, I was basically a standard passive consumer of political news: I read The New York Times, The New Yorker, The Atlantic: the journals that I thought high-end consumers of news would read and which I assumed were generally reliable for getting the basic truth. What I explained in the Preface was that I had major objections to the Iraq war when it was being debated:
During the lead-up to the invasion, I was concerned that the hell-bent focus on invading Iraq was being driven by agendas and strategic objectives that had nothing to do with terrorism or the 9/11 attacks. The overt rationale for the invasion was exceedingly weak, particularly given that it would lead to an open-ended, incalculably costly, and intensely risky preemptive war. Around the same time, it was revealed that an invasion of Iraq and the removal of Saddam Hussein had been high on the agenda of various senior administration officials long before September 11.
Nonetheless, because of the general faith I had in political and media institutions, I assumed - since both political parties and media outlets and journalists from across the ideological spectrum were united in support of the war - that there must be some valid basis to the claim that Saddam posed a threat. My basic trust in these institutions neutralized the objections I had and led me to passively acquiesce to what was being done ("I believed then that the president was entitled to have his national security judgment deferred to, and to the extent that I was able to develop a definitive view, I accepted his judgment that American security really would be enhanced by the invasion of this sovereign country."
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During the lead-up to the invasion, I was concerned that the hell-bent focus on invading Iraq was being driven by agendas and strategic objectives that had nothing to do with terrorism or the 9/11 attacks. The overt rationale for the invasion was exceedingly weak, particularly given that it would lead to an open-ended, incalculably costly, and intensely risky preemptive war. Around the same time, it was revealed that an invasion of Iraq and the removal of Saddam Hussein had been high on the agenda of various senior administration officials long before September 11.
Nonetheless, because of the general faith I had in political and media institutions, I assumed - since both political parties and media outlets and journalists from across the ideological spectrum were united in support of the war - that there must be some valid basis to the claim that Saddam posed a threat. My basic trust in these institutions neutralized the objections I had and led me to passively acquiesce to what was being done ("I believed then that the president was entitled to have his national security judgment deferred to, and to the extent that I was able to develop a definitive view, I accepted his judgment that American security really would be enhanced by the invasion of this sovereign country."
He goes on to explain how the excesses of the Bush Administration and the dubious nature of the Iraq War as it unfolded opened his eyes and led to an evolution of this political views. He concludes:
The purpose of the Preface was to publicly explain that evolution. Indeed, the first sentence of this Preface was this quote from Abraham Lincoln: "I do not think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday." When I still trusted and relied upon the claims of the political and media class - when I was basically apolitical and passive - I tacitly accepted all sorts of views which I've come to see are warped and misleading. I've talked often about this process and am proud of this evolution. I have zero interest in hiding it or concealing it. Quite the contrary: I want readers to know about it. That's why I wrote the Preface.
But anyone using this Preface to claim I was a "supporter" of the Iraq War is simply fabricating. At worst, I was guilty of apathy and passivity. I did nothing for or against it because I assumed that those in positions to exercise adversarial scrutiny - in journalism and politics - were doing that. It's precisely my realization of how profoundly deceitful and failed are American political and media institutions that motivated me to begin working on politics, and it's those realizations which continue to motivate me now.
But anyone using this Preface to claim I was a "supporter" of the Iraq War is simply fabricating. At worst, I was guilty of apathy and passivity. I did nothing for or against it because I assumed that those in positions to exercise adversarial scrutiny - in journalism and politics - were doing that. It's precisely my realization of how profoundly deceitful and failed are American political and media institutions that motivated me to begin working on politics, and it's those realizations which continue to motivate me now.
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"Greenwald is an advocate, not a journalist" This is important to remember. [View all]
Catherina
Jun 2013
OP
I love that Glenn is rattling the party sycophants and the big media tools in one fell swoop
Maven
Jun 2013
#2
Does Greenwald *really* want to open up the Iraq can of worms, given what he was doing in 2003?
Recursion
Jun 2013
#4
Probably 55. But one doesn't ( I don't) expect as much from Hillary. For obvious reasons. n/t
Smarmie Doofus
Jun 2013
#74
How old was Hillary? And has she had the courage to admit how wrong she was as Greenwald did
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#125
Actually, I agree. It is somewhat disconcerting that he didn't oppose Iraq from the get-go...
Smarmie Doofus
Jun 2013
#133
That's what I thought, but figured I might have missed something. Thanks. n/t
cui bono
Jun 2013
#130
The President has not only confirmed 'Snowden's lies' but has explained them.
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#142
I cannot help but notice a very particular tone to the comments of those in opposition to your
MADem
Jun 2013
#171
The "evolving view" isn't his problem. It's the "high horse" that gives him deserved trouble. nt
MADem
Jun 2013
#119
I don't think someone who lives in the public eye can be an asshole on twitter--or anywhere else--
MADem
Jun 2013
#138
How can one quote a small portion of the preface to "How Would A Patriot Act"
Maedhros
Jun 2013
#140
Good grief, and I ask this question quite sincerely--are you dull of comprehension, or are you
MADem
Jun 2013
#146
Well, to return to my Whitey Bulger analogy, just because Whitey tells you that he was
MADem
Jun 2013
#167
What was he doing? He was a private citizen. He hadn't written a book, he hadn't appeared on TV &
Luminous Animal
Jun 2013
#63
Yes, why wouldn't he? He was one of the few people who initially supported Bush's war who when
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#116
To the conservative mind, all whistle blowers are criminals. All challenges to authoritarian leader
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#6
To the racist mind, all Black men are niggers. And they should be challenged every time . . .
Major Hogwash
Jun 2013
#11
You used the N word OMG! Scream raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacism!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
xtraxritical
Jun 2013
#24
I don't understand what your comment has to do with what the person you are responding to said. n/t
totodeinhere
Jun 2013
#33
BINGO. This whole "what side are you on" debate comes down to people who...
NoodleyAppendage
Jun 2013
#89
Well said,. the victims behave sadly like victims, looking for an oppressor.
Civilization2
Jun 2013
#98
Authoritarians come in every political flavor in the spectrum. I think it's a reflection of
patrice
Jun 2013
#156
"Yellow journalism" is what it used to be called. *That's* what he really does.
baldguy
Jun 2013
#60
Gregary? You are being kind. He is a dancing partner of Karl Rove, accurately described
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#114
Well, you are free to show me where I am wrong. Absent that, I assume you agree. It would be
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#121
News is what somebody somewhere wants to suppress; all the rest is advertising. - Lord Northcliffe
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jun 2013
#12
Twitter, not tweeter old man. And what you typed up is NOT what was in the exchange
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2013
#55
This is bizarre-- I've been repeatedly asked/ordered by BOGers to put them on ignore, too.
Marr
Jun 2013
#106
I know, me too. I guess the ignore button is hard to find or something. And the old 'stalking'
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#123
Okay, since you're calling it a tweeter account I guess that you don't realize
cui bono
Jun 2013
#94
He pointed out a fact, unless you forgot the news media participation in the push for Bush's
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#120
Your whole theory that folks need to silently get kicked in the nuts to show they are sincre
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2013
#53
I thought I told you to stop presuming to order me about. This is a discussion board if you
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2013
#64
it's a discussion board, to discuss issues. You can keep your orders and your words about
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2013
#79
It wasn't Greenwald who made it about Greenwald. It's everyone casting aspersions at Greenwald
dorkulon
Jun 2013
#132
I think it's funny when the Obama blind defenders morph into bush defenders. Classic!
morningfog
Jun 2013
#92
The better question is "Why did so many of our politicians pretend not to know this?"
Catherina
Jun 2013
#69
Just because he's not doing the aluminum tube thing doesn't mean he isn't doing its equivalent
patrice
Jun 2013
#78
I don't doubt that what ES says is true. My comparison is about how the information is being used,
patrice
Jun 2013
#150
He's helping Snowden who is a Ron Paul devotee, but I do stand corrected as to his personal views.nt
patrice
Jun 2013
#154
Hillary believed in the aluminum tubes also and used that as a basis to vote for the Iraq war
Fumesucker
Jun 2013
#87
You (and others) have seized upon one passage from "How Would A Patriot Act?"
Maedhros
Jun 2013
#118
I guess you don't qualify as a "journalist" unless you shill for a major corporate media outlet ..
Ganja Ninja
Jun 2013
#99
Snowden is not a whistle blower in the technical sense. He didn't follow the rules in order
SlimJimmy
Jun 2013
#104
When a state's system has broken down, there often is no way a whistleblowers can "follow rules"...
cascadiance
Jun 2013
#115
The problem we have, as I see it, is that the current whistle blower statutes need
SlimJimmy
Jun 2013
#131
What you say is precisely why we need a system of better protection for whistleblowers...
cascadiance
Jun 2013
#135
I generally agree with what you've said, but I particularly liked the part I
SlimJimmy
Jun 2013
#137
Exactly. Looks like he's hearing from the people on his Twitter account. No wonder the MSM has
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#147