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HardTimes99

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Mon Jun 24, 2013, 06:24 PM Jun 2013

Is the NSA Worth Preserving? [View all]

I have contacted my Rep (Maxine Waters) and Senator Boxer twice in the past three weeks, as the NSA story has developed and permutated. (Feinstein's Washington # rang busy the first time and I didn't bother trying her again after she preemptively labeled Snowden a 'traitor').

As the episode has deepened and lengthened, I find my thoughs continually swirling and find it hard to make any sustained arguments.

So I thought it might be productive and useful to push back almost to first principles and ask a couple basic questions:

1) Is the NSA necessary to the national security of the United States or can it be significantly curtailed and\or ended?

and

2) If there is a need for the NSA, what exactly is that need? Is there anything about the NSA and what it does that is worth preserving?

I plan to contact Rep. Waters and Sen. Boxer at least one more time about these matters and was thinking I would ask that the NSA budget be cut as one way to re-assert meaningful Congressional oversight over it. But even as I type this, that suggestion seems like sort of a knee-jerk response. I am a layperson with no experience in national security or diplomacy and relatively little experience in politics (although I've worked briefly in telecom and longer in IT). So I felt like I would sound like a fool if I called for a budget cut to the NSA if I did not have some rational basis for doing so. And then I thought, based on some of the fine discussions I have read here, that there might actually be a good reason(s) for continuing the NSA largely as it is.

Based on the awesome discussions I've read here and the many fine voices on both sides of the divide, I think it should be possible to discuss the two questions above without resort to taunts or invective. If a thread like this one has already taken place here, I will gladly retract this one to save folks the trouble of posting their opinions yet again. (If you can point me to the link to that earlier discussion if it exists, it would be much appreciated.)

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Is the NSA Worth Preserving? [View all] HardTimes99 Jun 2013 OP
I read today that Leahy has put forth a proposal to sunset the FISA law. kentuck Jun 2013 #1
I feel like the deeper I get into this story, the more confused I grow. I want HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #2
Naw. kentuck Jun 2013 #3
Now these are questions worth asking Skidmore Jun 2013 #4
Every government has a need for some signal intelligence, I suppose, and so HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #5
I'm happy to see some shift toward constructive questioning and steps to rework the laws of the Skidmore Jun 2013 #7
Feinstein is trying to pass legislation to limit contractors. Maybe you need to contact her in suppo KittyWampus Jun 2013 #6
That's a great idea. Thanks for giving me that shot in the arm to try her office again. (I think HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #11
Eliminate the NSA, CIA, DHS and DEA. Taverner Jun 2013 #8
I see you're channeling your inner Grover (Norquist, that is :). Do you think HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #14
"Intelligence Function" - let's start with that Taverner Jun 2013 #16
If it were said to be abolished, how could the public ever be sure that it actually was abolished? Nimajneb Nilknarf Jun 2013 #9
That, my friend, is a damned good question. Do you think it should be abolished? - nt HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #10
I think it should have some additional checks placed on it to ensure compliance with the law, and Nimajneb Nilknarf Jun 2013 #12
I'm certainly no expert in the federal bureuacracy either, but based on what I've read thus far, HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #17
I hate to be Jack Nicholson from a Few Good Men, but we need them NightWatcher Jun 2013 #13
Although I'm not sure I agree with your position 100%, I definitely understand it. How HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #18
They're wasting tax payer dollars. xchrom Jun 2013 #15
So do you favor eliminating the NSA entirely? If so, would you transfer HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #19
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