"Greenwald is an advocate, not a journalist" This is important to remember.

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150. I don't doubt that what ES says is true. My comparison is about how the information is being used,

which is a germane question since these tactics have been in use ever since 2002 at least, so what is the purpose of this big propaganda campaign now? What has changed that makes this so important to these Libertarians now? One thing that is probably different is the specific economic configurations of the corporate persons who are both in implementing PRISM and bitching about the government's role, specifically the NSA, in those processes and that's not just any government, mind you, it's Barack Obama who had the foresight to keep some of those same corporate persons' most sensitive employees close to his administration and who were recently joined by another darling from their cohort, Susan Rice, after her tour of duty at the U.N., no less, coinciding also, if I remember correctly, with some recent changes at the IMF, with a recent Derivative Crash to the tune of maybe as much as $700 trillion dollars disappeared in the recent background.

I am a Socialist. I have been in the streets plenty for a few decades. I used to have friends with whom we used to track nuclear weapons trains out of Amarillo, Tx along their path to bases in the Northwest. I have handled large amounts of money to finance bus loads of people to go to Washington to protest Bush's Wars. We stood on a certain busy street corner here every Sunday afternoon with our anti-war signs and life-size cutout of W. wearing nothing but cowboy boots and a jockstrap for several years. I bet there's a digital equivalent of a thick file of pictures of me in various places somewhere in the security apparatus of this country. I'm not one bit afraid of my government knowing what I do. In fact, I WANT them to know about me and about everyone like me.

I'm sorry that I'm having a little difficulty getting all upset about this. Part of the reason for that is the fact that it very much appears to me, since this is mostly a Libertarian cohort involved in this particular histrionic instance, Glenn Greenwald and his devotees and a Libertarian contractor working for corporate personhood of one type or another complaining about a different branch of corporate personhood, the U.S. government, getting into the stateless oligarchy's business. This fight isn't about you and me. It's about which of two branches of corporate personhood tells "our" government what to do. Greenwald's branch is afraid of the Obama branch, because the snooping power's that corporate persons created (and still control absolutely in the form of private/SECRET dataming for business intelligence, a.k.a. marketing, and industrial espionage) are now also in the hands of what could possibly be the ultimate troll, Barack Obama.