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55. I think Snowden is "pretty fucking naive" if he thinks Ecuador is the kind of country

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 04:54 AM

Jun 2013

he told the Washington Post he wanted to go to.

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-06-09/politics/39856642_1_extradition-nsa-leaks-disclosures

Snowden said he is seeking “asylum from any countries that believe in free speech and oppose the victimization of global privacy,”

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Ecuador's the perfect place for Snowden. [View all] pnwmom Jun 2013 OP

Here's an article on the wikileaks/ecuador/belarus link... msanthrope Jun 2013 #1

Why Ecuador Is a Good Asylum Destination for Edward Snowden quinnox Jun 2013 #2

So Snowden really doesn't care about freedom of information at all, right? pnwmom Jun 2013 #16

there are very few countries willing to stand up to the United States, the number one power in quinnox Jun 2013 #21

Because they passed a fairness doctrine? mhatrw Jun 2013 #26

Yeah, right. A fairness doctrine that lets the state prosecute pnwmom Jun 2013 #32

Howard Dean & Edward Muskie say Hi! mhatrw Jun 2013 #40

I think you are confused reorg Jun 2013 #30

I think you are confused. Snowden has spoken about not being able to live in a country pnwmom Jun 2013 #37

The USA is not in any position to lecture anyone about freedom of the press. mhatrw Jun 2013 #42

Ours is much freer than Ecuadors. pnwmom Jun 2013 #46

Yeah, we just get put on terrorist watch lists. mhatrw Jun 2013 #54

Are you on one? I know lots of people who blog and no one who's had any trouble pnwmom Jun 2013 #57

I don't know. Am I? mhatrw Jun 2013 #62

Unless you never fly you would know. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #63

Its funny how you brandish "essential freedom" then cozy up to the PATRIOT Act. cprise Jun 2013 #64

There is no "protection" and no promotion of free speech in laws that let the state determine pnwmom Jun 2013 #79

Ecuador has a free press reorg Jun 2013 #77

"Your country"? What country are you a citizen of? Their fairness doctrine is a farce pnwmom Jun 2013 #81

the new media law in Ecuador explicitly forbids censorship reorg Jun 2013 #84

there seems to be some difference of opinion about ecuador's media law. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #3

Post does not follow preconceived narrative. Does not compute. Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #5

OMG, they promote fairness in the media! reorg Jun 2013 #15

maybe there it will be more difficult for "the US" to murder him using a drone nt msongs Jun 2013 #4

It is perfect if you're a hypocrite. But, libertarians only care about their rights.. Cha Jun 2013 #6

One explanation for that might be Ecuador is 80% Roman Catholic quinnox Jun 2013 #8

Damn! He's as bad as Bill Clinton! mhatrw Jun 2013 #29

Sounds worse and we're not living in those times anymore. Cha Jun 2013 #34

Thankfully, we aren't. Most of Catholic Latin America still is. mhatrw Jun 2013 #45

Ecuador may in fact be a better place to live than the United States. Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #7

Not for Gays or the freedom of the Media.. and I'm not "filthy rich".. I Cha Jun 2013 #9

Members of the LGBTQ community are essentially no worse off in Ecuador than they are in the US. Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #10

"Members of the LGBTQ community are essentially no worse off in Ecuador than they are in the US" Cha Jun 2013 #11

I live in Arizona and it's a fucking shithole. So there's that. Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #12

time to update your cheap talking point reorg Jun 2013 #20

Your post does not support the preconcieved narrative. You shall be banned henceforth. Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #25

+1000 n/t zeeland Jun 2013 #27

Good to know.. so Ecuador doesn't discriminate against Gays anymore. Bueno. Cha Jun 2013 #35

What else can you trash them on? You know, other than mhatrw Jun 2013 #48

I don't have to "trash" them on anything. I'm only interested in the facts. Cha Jun 2013 #61

then why did you post non-facts? HiPointDem Jun 2013 #70

your freedom of the media = freedom for corporations to monopolize media mhatrw Jun 2013 #31

Not for people like Snowden who claim to care about freedom of the press. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #17

You're totally right assuming nobody cares about the facts. Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #18

The link you posted sure has a sunny view of the new law. pnwmom Jun 2013 #22

This amounts to status-quo US media outlets attacking a system that would end their existence. Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #24

No, it amounts to publishers and bloggers who are standing up for freedom of speech pnwmom Jun 2013 #41

The US press are 90% owned by 5 corporations cprise Jun 2013 #66

The old media, which is dominated by the 5 corporations, is more and more pnwmom Jun 2013 #67

Dream on. US corporate media are larger and more profitable than ever. n/t cprise Jun 2013 #68

you're a riot. the 'new media' that's essentially a spy tool. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #85

Here are CPJ's criticisms of Ecuador's Press mhatrw Jun 2013 #38

"How is this any different from (what) our Republicans do?" pnwmom Jun 2013 #43

They don't have to press charges. They own the press. Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #44

They don't own all forms of media. And anyone with a computer can set themselves pnwmom Jun 2013 #49

Not until they are spied on by the NSA for "aiding our enemies," that is. n/t mhatrw Jun 2013 #51

That wasn't the CPJ's criticism and you know it. mhatrw Jun 2013 #50

Essentially it's illegal to 'Bum Rush' the public right before an election cprise Jun 2013 #69

and your post fails to note the MAIN reasons the law is disliked in some quarters, which is HiPointDem Jun 2013 #71

IN OTHER WORDS: You don't know what you are talking about reorg Jun 2013 #74

So says many American retirees newfie11 Jun 2013 #65

Well one thing is for sure davidpdx Jun 2013 #13

. Bonobo Jun 2013 #14

There was an interview yesterday on the ABC Number23 Jun 2013 #19

But Assange is taking refuge with Ecuador, so I don't know why she'd be incredulous. pnwmom Jun 2013 #23

No, she knows that. I think her point is that Wikileaks positions itself as the champions of the Number23 Jun 2013 #28

Virginia was a bit of a hypocrite... Violet_Crumble Jun 2013 #53

I would wager that more people watch the morning show than the 7:30 report Number23 Jun 2013 #86

And once again the brainiacs miss the point. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #33

exactly, it sounds like the OP thinks Snowden can go to Paris or something and hang out at the local quinnox Jun 2013 #36

They probably wouldn't mind Snowden going to Paris because, you know, Freedom Fries. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #39

I think it's pretty fucking naive to judge the ecuadorian media by american standards. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #47

I think Snowden is "pretty fucking naive" if he thinks Ecuador is the kind of country pnwmom Jun 2013 #55

As I said... Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #58

These Snowden haters are experts on everything. ForgoTheConsequence Jun 2013 #52

It's delusional to think Hong Kong is self governing with regard to foreign policy. pnwmom Jun 2013 #56

That wasn't the point I was making. ForgoTheConsequence Jun 2013 #59

Well I wrote the OP and I haven't said anything in any thread about human rights in Hong Kong pnwmom Jun 2013 #60

it's delusional to think the same people aren't running hk that have run it since the british took HiPointDem Jun 2013 #72

actually, some of them are in the business. i won't say which one. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #73

You fascist American-hating authoritarian! randome Jun 2013 #75

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #76

are you being paid to pursue this single-minded bulldog vendetta against Snowden...? mike_c Jun 2013 #78

Are you being paid to lionize him? Serious question, no snark intended. pnwmom Jun 2013 #80

no-- nor am I lionizing him mike_c Jun 2013 #83

He wanted asylum in one of the freest countries- Iceland LittleBlue Jun 2013 #82