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Dragonfli

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59. Do you ever read? The news is all over the world, men who worked directly for NSA
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 06:34 AM
Jun 2013

as well as one that designed the net they are using have already confirmed the documents were real and Senators are simultaneously telling us that is only the tip of the iceberg.

This level of willfully uninformed consent you display is astonishing. All you keep saying is "that mean man lies about daddy"! You are focused so entirely on Snowden and Obama, you don't even know the issue. Read more and be less emotionally invested in the love and hate of personalities, there is much to learn.


A school of fish swims peacefully in the ocean. Out of sight, a net is spread beneath it. At the edges of the net is a circle of fishing boats. Suddenly, the fishermen yank up the edges of the net, and in an instant the calm, open ocean becomes a boiling caldron, an exitless, rapidly shrinking prison in which the fish thrash in vain for freedom and life.

Increasingly, the American people are like this school of fish in the moments before the net is pulled up. The net in question is of course the Internet and associated instruments of data collection, and the fishermen are corporations and the government. That is, to use the more common metaphor, we have come to live alongside the machinery of a turnkey tyranny. As we now know, thanks to the courageous whistleblower Edward Snowden, the National Security Agency has been secretly ordering Verizon to sweep up and hand over all the metadata from the phone calls of millions of its customers: phone numbers, duration of calls, routing information and sometimes the location of the callers. Thanks to Snowden, we also know that unknown volumes of like information are being extracted from Internet and computer companies, including Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, PalTalk, AOL, Skype, YouTube and Apple.

The first thing to note about these data is that a mere generation ago, they did not exist. They are a new power in our midst, flowing from new technology, waiting to be picked up; and power, as always, creates temptation, especially for the already powerful. Our cellphones track our whereabouts. Our communications pass through centralized servers and are saved and kept for a potential eternity in storage banks, from which they can be recovered and examined. Our purchases and contacts and illnesses and entertainments are tracked and agglomerated. If we are arrested, even our DNA can be taken and stored by the state. Today, alongside each one of us, there exists a second, electronic self, created in part by us, in part by others. This other self has become de facto public property, owned chiefly by immense data-crunching corporations, which use it for commercial purposes. Now government is reaching its hand into those corporations for its own purposes, creating a brand-new domain of the state-corporate complex.

Surveillance of people on this scale turns basic liberties—above all the Fourth Amendment, which protects citizens against unreasonable search and seizure—into a dead letter. Government officials, it is true, assure us that they will never pull the edges of the net tight. They tell us that although they could know everything about us, they won’t decide to. They’ll let the information sit unexamined in the electronic vaults. But history, whether of our country or others, teaches that only a fool would place faith in such assurances. What one president refrains from doing the next will do; what is left undone in peacetime is done when a crisis comes.

The executive branch offers a similar assurance about its claimed right to kill American and foreign citizens at its sole discretion. But to accept such assurances as the guarantee of basic liberties would be to throw away bedrock principles of our constitutional order. If there is any single political idea that deserves to be called quintessentially American, it is the principle that government power must be balanced and checked by other government power, which is why federal power is balanced by state power and is itself divided into three branches.

The officials—most notably President Obama—have assured us that this system is intact, that the surveillance programs are “under very strict supervision by all three branches of government,” in Obama’s words. But the briefest examination of the record rebuts the claim...

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More: http://www.thenation.com/article/174889/americas-surveillance-net#axzz2XBLcJHyq

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A link to Greenwald's tweet - he's worked with Snowden since FEBRUARY, below Tx4obama Jun 2013 #1
Said the professional butt-coverer! MNBrewer Jun 2013 #2
1) Month corrected. Thanks. 2) You are utterly dishonest. cthulu2016 Jun 2013 #3
Taking into consideration what they are trying to defend, lying is the only option left for them. idwiyo Jun 2013 #5
Indeed. I'm thinking Greenwald finally figured out his civil liability, and might have msanthrope Jun 2013 #6
How about as a lawyer, leftynyc Jun 2013 #65
I don't think he has a license to lawyer anywhere, and more importantly, that obligation you msanthrope Jun 2013 #68
Knowing about a crime leftynyc Jun 2013 #69
no, he was not acting as a lawyer then still_one Jun 2013 #78
So? I read that when he tweeted it originally and hadn't forgotten it. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #11
But he never said he knew who he was, did he? He did work with him. Snowden had an internet handle sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #46
Let the backpedalling begin! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #4
Cthulu, only someone whose name is "impossible for truedelphi Jun 2013 #7
The boggers have jumped the shark Doctor_J Jun 2013 #8
I disagree with Obama on his marijuana policy. MattFromKY Jun 2013 #10
I think there should be a trial. burnodo Jun 2013 #38
nevermind.. one_voice Jun 2013 #18
"the boggers"? To whom are you referring? KittyWampus Jun 2013 #22
I believe he is referring to Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #52
I thought it was slang for "blind obedient groupies". Don't they like follow the bus around Dragonfli Jun 2013 #54
Has Snowden come up with that Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #55
I see an issue with an out of control surveillance industry merged with an out of control Dragonfli Jun 2013 #57
Out of control how? Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #58
Do you ever read? The news is all over the world, men who worked directly for NSA Dragonfli Jun 2013 #59
When you miss a point Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #81
I wish there were leftynyc Jun 2013 #66
"possible for people to communicate without conveying their name" MattFromKY Jun 2013 #9
Of course it was pre-planned. All Whistle Blowers pre-plan how to get the information they have sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #47
Can you post the part leftynyc Jun 2013 #67
Actual, although it was 'secret' up to recently, there is a ruling by the FISA court itself that sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #70
I asked for the link leftynyc Jun 2013 #71
Surely you can find the Constitution on Google? sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #73
I just knew you were spouting bullshit leftynyc Jun 2013 #74
Domestic spying is illegal. Show me where that has changed. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #75
LOL - and where is THAT leftynyc Jun 2013 #76
OK, I'm going to be horrible now and look like a bit of a pedant. sibelian Jun 2013 #56
I feel the same way about "irregardless" (that one drives me bonkers) Dragonfli Jun 2013 #60
"Irregardless" of your admonition, they will continue to do it! Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #80
Greenwald conspired with a Spy to attain National Secrets. He's toast. MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #12
Yes, well Hissyspit Jun 2013 #13
why did Glenn delete his tweet about working with Snowden since February MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #14
He didn't, as far as I can tell. I looked it up on Twitter just a little while ago. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author Hissyspit Jun 2013 #20
Stop. Liar time. The Link Jun 2013 #23
Did you mean to respond to Mjolnr? Hissyspit Jun 2013 #37
Either or. Just verifying that the tweet had not been deleted. The Link Jun 2013 #62
"Have at thee!" nt Bonobo Jun 2013 #26
Where did you get this information from? With no credible source to back up your sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #48
I know your real name. And where you work. DirkGently Jun 2013 #16
Great,...now the NSA has you tagged as owning a pressure cooker. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #33
I just put them on IGNORE. DeSwiss Jun 2013 #17
So you are not that monster that causes insanity at Rackham? nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #19
It's sad some on DU can't see ratfucking when it happens. And for you to use the term KittyWampus Jun 2013 #21
you keep using that term like you actually know what it means frylock Jun 2013 #24
That was my reaction too. truedelphi Jun 2013 #50
these people are still convinced this is some nefarious plot cooked up by karl rove.. frylock Jun 2013 #72
KittyWampus suspicions = facts cthulu2016 Jun 2013 #28
What is the root of your apparent beastiality fixation? Do you even know who ratfuckers were? Dragonfli Jun 2013 #44
Snowden has been convicted already?? That was fast! sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #49
Yes! "The press has special protections in democracies and for very good reason." Demit Jun 2013 #61
That word does not mean what you think it means. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #51
Perhaps there is something else about Greenwald that inspires such hatred and derision? The Link Jun 2013 #25
+1 QC Jun 2013 #79
This. Starry Messenger Jun 2013 #83
Well, ProSense Jun 2013 #27
Oh God... you actually went with THAT??? cthulu2016 Jun 2013 #31
Yes, ProSense Jun 2013 #34
?????? Number23 Jun 2013 #53
SOP for cautious leakers who contact journalists Babel_17 Jun 2013 #29
Deep Throat probably did. (I think he knew Woodward) cthulu2016 Jun 2013 #32
Wikipedia basically says yes Babel_17 Jun 2013 #36
Personally, I thought it smelled like a big ol' steamin' cup o' frantic. No surprise though. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #30
Greenwald Lies, Snowden Hides.. Grassy Knoll Jun 2013 #35
What lie? Hissyspit Jun 2013 #39
Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #40
No, I'm just asking questions like a normal person at DU Hissyspit Jun 2013 #41
Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author Hissyspit Jun 2013 #43
Eh, very good, but satire is too faint to expect anyone to get it. ucrdem Jun 2013 #45
Here's the real satire: Hissyspit Jun 2013 #82
Oooh, internet anti-Greenwald agitators... SidDithers Jun 2013 #63
Well I saw a new claim in a reply to a post of mine Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #64
QUITE intellectually dishonest, chthulhu. sibelian Jun 2013 #77
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