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77. Ecuador has a free press

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 10:39 AM

Jun 2013

and now they even have something what your country once had, a "fairness doctrine" which you abandoned.

Well, yes, collecting vast amounts of personal data is not compatible with the constitutional protection of privacy. The constitutional courts in other countries have already found that to be the case. The US is obviously a little late in the game here, the "war on terror" hysteria having played a role, perhaps it's also because the public is not so well informed, after all? Give it time. Even misinformed Americans might learn.

I couldn't care less if "the vast majority of Americans support" the collection of my personal communication data. It's still against the law in my country. And I'm not yet ready to buy it that they do. Such arrogance just seems unfathomable to me. But, I guess, you'd like it if they do.

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Ecuador's the perfect place for Snowden. [View all] pnwmom Jun 2013 OP

Here's an article on the wikileaks/ecuador/belarus link... msanthrope Jun 2013 #1

Why Ecuador Is a Good Asylum Destination for Edward Snowden quinnox Jun 2013 #2

So Snowden really doesn't care about freedom of information at all, right? pnwmom Jun 2013 #16

there are very few countries willing to stand up to the United States, the number one power in quinnox Jun 2013 #21

Because they passed a fairness doctrine? mhatrw Jun 2013 #26

Yeah, right. A fairness doctrine that lets the state prosecute pnwmom Jun 2013 #32

Howard Dean & Edward Muskie say Hi! mhatrw Jun 2013 #40

I think you are confused reorg Jun 2013 #30

I think you are confused. Snowden has spoken about not being able to live in a country pnwmom Jun 2013 #37

The USA is not in any position to lecture anyone about freedom of the press. mhatrw Jun 2013 #42

Ours is much freer than Ecuadors. pnwmom Jun 2013 #46

Yeah, we just get put on terrorist watch lists. mhatrw Jun 2013 #54

Are you on one? I know lots of people who blog and no one who's had any trouble pnwmom Jun 2013 #57

I don't know. Am I? mhatrw Jun 2013 #62

Unless you never fly you would know. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #63

Its funny how you brandish "essential freedom" then cozy up to the PATRIOT Act. cprise Jun 2013 #64

There is no "protection" and no promotion of free speech in laws that let the state determine pnwmom Jun 2013 #79

Ecuador has a free press reorg Jun 2013 #77

"Your country"? What country are you a citizen of? Their fairness doctrine is a farce pnwmom Jun 2013 #81

the new media law in Ecuador explicitly forbids censorship reorg Jun 2013 #84

there seems to be some difference of opinion about ecuador's media law. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #3

Post does not follow preconceived narrative. Does not compute. Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #5

OMG, they promote fairness in the media! reorg Jun 2013 #15

maybe there it will be more difficult for "the US" to murder him using a drone nt msongs Jun 2013 #4

It is perfect if you're a hypocrite. But, libertarians only care about their rights.. Cha Jun 2013 #6

One explanation for that might be Ecuador is 80% Roman Catholic quinnox Jun 2013 #8

Damn! He's as bad as Bill Clinton! mhatrw Jun 2013 #29

Sounds worse and we're not living in those times anymore. Cha Jun 2013 #34

Thankfully, we aren't. Most of Catholic Latin America still is. mhatrw Jun 2013 #45

Ecuador may in fact be a better place to live than the United States. Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #7

Not for Gays or the freedom of the Media.. and I'm not "filthy rich".. I Cha Jun 2013 #9

Members of the LGBTQ community are essentially no worse off in Ecuador than they are in the US. Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #10

"Members of the LGBTQ community are essentially no worse off in Ecuador than they are in the US" Cha Jun 2013 #11

I live in Arizona and it's a fucking shithole. So there's that. Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #12

time to update your cheap talking point reorg Jun 2013 #20

Your post does not support the preconcieved narrative. You shall be banned henceforth. Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #25

+1000 n/t zeeland Jun 2013 #27

Good to know.. so Ecuador doesn't discriminate against Gays anymore. Bueno. Cha Jun 2013 #35

What else can you trash them on? You know, other than mhatrw Jun 2013 #48

I don't have to "trash" them on anything. I'm only interested in the facts. Cha Jun 2013 #61

then why did you post non-facts? HiPointDem Jun 2013 #70

your freedom of the media = freedom for corporations to monopolize media mhatrw Jun 2013 #31

Not for people like Snowden who claim to care about freedom of the press. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #17

You're totally right assuming nobody cares about the facts. Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #18

The link you posted sure has a sunny view of the new law. pnwmom Jun 2013 #22

This amounts to status-quo US media outlets attacking a system that would end their existence. Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #24

No, it amounts to publishers and bloggers who are standing up for freedom of speech pnwmom Jun 2013 #41

The US press are 90% owned by 5 corporations cprise Jun 2013 #66

The old media, which is dominated by the 5 corporations, is more and more pnwmom Jun 2013 #67

Dream on. US corporate media are larger and more profitable than ever. n/t cprise Jun 2013 #68

you're a riot. the 'new media' that's essentially a spy tool. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #85

Here are CPJ's criticisms of Ecuador's Press mhatrw Jun 2013 #38

"How is this any different from (what) our Republicans do?" pnwmom Jun 2013 #43

They don't have to press charges. They own the press. Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #44

They don't own all forms of media. And anyone with a computer can set themselves pnwmom Jun 2013 #49

Not until they are spied on by the NSA for "aiding our enemies," that is. n/t mhatrw Jun 2013 #51

That wasn't the CPJ's criticism and you know it. mhatrw Jun 2013 #50

Essentially it's illegal to 'Bum Rush' the public right before an election cprise Jun 2013 #69

and your post fails to note the MAIN reasons the law is disliked in some quarters, which is HiPointDem Jun 2013 #71

IN OTHER WORDS: You don't know what you are talking about reorg Jun 2013 #74

So says many American retirees newfie11 Jun 2013 #65

Well one thing is for sure davidpdx Jun 2013 #13

. Bonobo Jun 2013 #14

There was an interview yesterday on the ABC Number23 Jun 2013 #19

But Assange is taking refuge with Ecuador, so I don't know why she'd be incredulous. pnwmom Jun 2013 #23

No, she knows that. I think her point is that Wikileaks positions itself as the champions of the Number23 Jun 2013 #28

Virginia was a bit of a hypocrite... Violet_Crumble Jun 2013 #53

I would wager that more people watch the morning show than the 7:30 report Number23 Jun 2013 #86

And once again the brainiacs miss the point. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #33

exactly, it sounds like the OP thinks Snowden can go to Paris or something and hang out at the local quinnox Jun 2013 #36

They probably wouldn't mind Snowden going to Paris because, you know, Freedom Fries. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #39

I think it's pretty fucking naive to judge the ecuadorian media by american standards. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #47

I think Snowden is "pretty fucking naive" if he thinks Ecuador is the kind of country pnwmom Jun 2013 #55

As I said... Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #58

These Snowden haters are experts on everything. ForgoTheConsequence Jun 2013 #52

It's delusional to think Hong Kong is self governing with regard to foreign policy. pnwmom Jun 2013 #56

That wasn't the point I was making. ForgoTheConsequence Jun 2013 #59

Well I wrote the OP and I haven't said anything in any thread about human rights in Hong Kong pnwmom Jun 2013 #60

it's delusional to think the same people aren't running hk that have run it since the british took HiPointDem Jun 2013 #72

actually, some of them are in the business. i won't say which one. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #73

You fascist American-hating authoritarian! randome Jun 2013 #75

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #76

are you being paid to pursue this single-minded bulldog vendetta against Snowden...? mike_c Jun 2013 #78

Are you being paid to lionize him? Serious question, no snark intended. pnwmom Jun 2013 #80

no-- nor am I lionizing him mike_c Jun 2013 #83

He wanted asylum in one of the freest countries- Iceland LittleBlue Jun 2013 #82