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In reply to the discussion: The problem with defending Snowden. [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)142. True,
You can argue about this with respect to his credibility, but if someone already finds his claims credible (for whatever reason, justified or not) than nothing you say about Snowden's motivations is going to convince them otherwise. Snowden may have screwed himself, but the question the media is focusing on, "What's going to happen to Snowden?" is secondary in many DUers minds to the questions "Are his claims accurate?", "Can the government legally do this?" and "SHOULD the government be able to legally do this?".
Maybe Snowden is a whistleblower, maybe he's a traitor, maybe he'll stay in some foreign country or maybe he'll come back to the US. Maybe he'll go to prison or maybe he'll do the talk-show circuit. I don't really give a shit about any of it. I'm more interested in what he's been alleging has and does occur under the guise of "keeping us safe".
Maybe Snowden is a whistleblower, maybe he's a traitor, maybe he'll stay in some foreign country or maybe he'll come back to the US. Maybe he'll go to prison or maybe he'll do the talk-show circuit. I don't really give a shit about any of it. I'm more interested in what he's been alleging has and does occur under the guise of "keeping us safe".
...and for many, the inaccuracies are glaring, and in some instances appear to be intentional manipulations for maximum impact.
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Those who don't take part gain no standing, so when the fist thing they do is lecture
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2013
#84
Luckily, it's not up to you to dictate how I or anybody else participate here,
Denzil_DC
Jun 2013
#90
I don't think any of us were aware you were the story police. The sheer arrogance of your
okaawhatever
Jun 2013
#57
And you know that Snowden's detractors are all being paid because the little voice talking ...
11 Bravo
Jun 2013
#8
Snowden is very naughty because he exposed the government (and corporation) snoops.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jun 2013
#11
Are you seriously suggesting a binary choice? Vegan or murderous of large wedding parties?
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2013
#87
Equally impressive ... you have managed to respond to damned near all of them.
11 Bravo
Jun 2013
#22
What a pathetic sense of morality you seem to have. You keep slamming a hero for the corporatists.
In Truth We Trust
Jun 2013
#25
Snowden plans more leaks...will let foreign press decide if leaks endanger Americans
ProSense
Jun 2013
#26
I agree, it is spam and not discussion. The basic disrespect for others is just mean.
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2013
#93
If you don't want to defend the constitution, you are playing on the wrong side. "I will support and
grahamhgreen
Jun 2013
#38
That's because people are tired of watching outright party shills manipulate information.
Gravitycollapse
Jun 2013
#63
I've been checking the snail-mail for my royalty checks. I'm soooo disappointed there aren't any.
Hekate
Jun 2013
#130
Pro, since calling you a paid shill is now OK with DU's Angst Brigade, where can I sign up?
Ikonoklast
Jun 2013
#73
I can only wish you were! Unfortunately you can not admit that your posts are nothing else but your
idwiyo
Jun 2013
#89
I am looking forward to your next post where you'll admit its nothing else but your opinion.
idwiyo
Jun 2013
#95
The problem w/your point is you still haven't established Espionage, which requires proof
leveymg
Jun 2013
#91
Of course it was premeditated - he didn't think it up after the fact or spill accidentally. Geez.
leveymg
Jun 2013
#102
Of course he committed a premediated crime. You imply he was "spying" - Espionage - wrong,
leveymg
Jun 2013
#107
Quoting you: "I wasn't against Snowden and was laughing when people called him a spy but..."
leveymg
Jun 2013
#121
So that makes the little piece of innuendo about Espionage once removed, or twice?
leveymg
Jun 2013
#125
If Ellsberg "went through the appropriate channels," then why was he prosecuted? Ellsberg
HardTimes99
Jun 2013
#106
I don't think I'm expressing myself or my feelings very clearly. I'm going to
HardTimes99
Jun 2013
#120
Too bad Greenwald is a former disgraced attorney and not a publicist.
great white snark
Jun 2013
#99
If you think what he claims is evidence of an illegal program, or of government abusing
hughee99
Jun 2013
#133