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Democracyinkind

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1. It happens.

Reply to ksoze (Original post)

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 04:17 PM

Jun 2013

We used to hail defectors from the Soviet Union. Context is everything, not just when leaking/spying is involved. So yes, some people and some governments do accept the "I didn't agree, so I stole it" rationale. But only if it's in their interest.

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Traitor Exception Clause: "I don't agree with the secret data I stole, so it's okay" [View all] ksoze Jun 2013 OP

It happens. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #1

But we never before hailed defectors TO Russia. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #2

Well. Since nobody has defected to Russia, the point is moot. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #4

Not yet it isn't. He's still there so anything could happen. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #5

So let's accuse him of it when he actually defects. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #6

He HAS defected. He just hasn't found a permanent destination yet. pnwmom Jun 2013 #7

We seem to disagree on the meaning of "defected". Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #8

The dictionary meaning doesn't require sharing secrets or collaborating. pnwmom Jun 2013 #13

What you quoted doesn't describe what he did. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #14

Strawman exception clause Aerows Jun 2013 #3

It's called the Fourth Amendment. It is an unalienable right. avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #9

I could have sworn I read he was in China and Russia with Top Secret data. ksoze Jun 2013 #10

We don't know for a Fact that he gave China or Russia anything at all. avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #11

I think we do know - he told Hong Kong newspapers some ksoze Jun 2013 #16

He told HK "some"?!!! avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #17

It's also the Patriot Exception Clause. Orsino Jun 2013 #12

Definition of "Traitor" (sans knee jerk): ksoze Jun 2013 #15

That definition is, by definition, knee-jerk... Orsino Jun 2013 #18