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Jamastiene

(38,206 posts)
45. Congratulations!
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 04:34 PM
Jun 2013

Welcome to the group, that is, the group of people who have listened to politicians talk enough that we have learned to read between the lines to get what they are really saying, aka, the fine print. While it may appear they are saying one thing, if you understand how to listen to politicians, it will become easier and easier for you to hear the other thing they are REALLY saying. After a while, you will begin to hear them, LOUD AND CLEAR, without even concentrating.

Responses you will get:
Now: You are underestimating Obama's capacity for 12th dimensional chess. He is not really going to agree to the pipeline. That is what they are saying right now. Make note of this, because the talking points will change when Obama does what he is REALLY going to do, as opposed to what many may THINK he is going to do, based on what he said today.

Later: But, he clearly said he would build the pipeline if it could be built without increasing the amount of GHG emissions. And clearly, building the pipeline will not increase GHG emissions, because a biased group of polluting industry insiders said it will not. So, Obama is doing exactly what he said he would do and it won't hurt the environment.

Even later: There is no clear evidence that increasing GHG emissions hurt the environment in any way whatsoever. Obama did what is right, because it will bring gas prices down.

If you persist in rebutting their talking points, you will hear:
YOU NEVER REALLY LOVED HIM!!!
REPUBLICAN!!!!
RACIST!!!!
TROLL!!!!

My advice is to hear what the politician is saying, understand it and know you got it right (in this case, you got it right), cook some popcorn, and sit back and watch the above interactions take place on DU for the foreseeable future. The DU talking points dissemination team turns into a comedy troupe when you just sit back and watch them go through this process for the millionth time, try to rationalize the irrational, call everyone who disagrees with them a troll/Republican/racist, then turn blue in the face and pitch a temper tantrum when people disagree with them. It happens every time.

Yeah, I think you figured out what he was really saying. It is those qualifiers that give it away every single time. A politician won't do such and such, IF such and such doesn't happen first. Of course, such and such is already on its way to being tailor made to fit the qualified statement. Otherwise, a politician would not bring it up in the first place.

I just hope that maybe he will do some of the good stuff he mentioned to counteract the negative that will surely come with the pipeline and more freaking fracking that is surely on its way too. Maybe it will all work out. At least it is better than what the Republicans would do. We have that much working for us.

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I thought the same thing. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #1
He gave the dogs a bone! Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #2
Here is one way it could reduce gasses: The Straight Story Jun 2013 #3
Let's assume that's the case. Would that be bad? Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #5
Yes and no The Straight Story Jun 2013 #12
"Because we know it would be a lie..." You'll have to forgive me, but I stopped there. n/t Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #14
That's fine, you don't have to believe it for it to be true (nt) The Straight Story Jun 2013 #15
True? You just made it up. It most certainly is NOT true. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #16
of course he will. liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #4
that's what I heard. cali Jun 2013 #6
Norman Goldman predicted that would happen a few days ago. nt rdharma Jun 2013 #7
THE Norman Goldman? Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #11
Yup! THE Norman Goldman.... Where justice is served. rdharma Jun 2013 #20
Sweet! Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #22
I hope he's wrong......... rdharma Jun 2013 #23
Has he weighed in on Zimmerman? Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #25
Yup! He's "weighed in"....... but no predictions on verdict. rdharma Jun 2013 #29
Agreed. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #32
Ignore his words. Let's focus on other outcomes that might really, really piss us off. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #8
right, because you can take his words and promises to the bank..on a parallel planet you can..nt xiamiam Jun 2013 #50
Meybe so, maybe not. In the meantime, let the White House know what YOU think! LongTomH Jun 2013 #9
The WH doesn't give the teeniest tiniest goddamn what we think about this. MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #26
Did he Mention fredamae Jun 2013 #10
Did you listen to his speech? Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #13
No---very little of it fredamae Jun 2013 #17
Okay. Then let me answer your question: Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #18
You're so helpful! Hydra Jun 2013 #33
I suppose there are those who come to DU to find people to watch tv for them. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #42
You missed an opportunity Hydra Jun 2013 #43
I don't speak for the President, so I could not care less how I affected his image in your eyes. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #47
Oh, that clears it up then Hydra Jun 2013 #52
So, instead of filling a person in on what was actually said, Jamastiene Jun 2013 #46
I responded to snark with snark. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #48
"Shit happens." NealK Jun 2013 #51
I share these concerns. avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #24
Nope. And that's the tell... Junkdrawer Jun 2013 #55
Sometimes it's what they don't say... fredamae Jun 2013 #56
Exacerbate ... GeorgeGist Jun 2013 #19
The lesser of two evils. GeorgeGist Jun 2013 #21
There's never been any doubt. Obama will do industry's bidding on this. MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #27
All the while saying it's the Green thing to do... Junkdrawer Jun 2013 #28
Yes, he is good at pretense. MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #31
Yep, he never met a Corporation whose water he wouldn't carry. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #30
More: ProSense Jun 2013 #34
But both sides of any argument are usually able to present "proof" to back up their gateley Jun 2013 #54
Obama had three paths he could choose after winning reelection. BlueStreak Jun 2013 #35
You disagree with everything you said. Everything. Zen Democrat Jun 2013 #36
Please be more specific. BlueStreak Jun 2013 #37
We knew what to expect of the others and that is what we got. This one just cannot be trusted. RILib Jun 2013 #44
Susan Rice Owns $300,000 in TransCanada Stock (Keystone XL Developer) Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #38
Sadly, it does sound like that G_j Jun 2013 #39
So do I. Perhaps if the pressure were increased instead of relieved by today's announcement... Junkdrawer Jun 2013 #40
Of course he's going to approve it. Marr Jun 2013 #41
Congratulations! Jamastiene Jun 2013 #45
Which will prevail, individual profit or popular concern with health and safety? 1-Old-Man Jun 2013 #49
According to Mike Papantonio this afternoon, he won't veto it if Cleita Jun 2013 #53
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