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davidn3600

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137. It's a secret court...so how do we know if the 4th amendment is being followed?

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 05:40 PM

Jun 2013

You are asking for a LOT of trust for a government that hasn't done shit to deserve that trust.

First rule in political science...Absolute power corrupts absolutely. You can't have a secret court issuing secret warrants. That's not the way our government and our justice system is supposed to work. It's supposed to be open to the public. Sunshine is the best disinfectant.

If that puts Americans more at risk for a terrorist attack? SO BE IT! It's the cost of living in a free country and Im willing to accept that cost. Your demand for an illusion of safety is infringing upon my rights and liberties to live in a free country.

If we were not fucking around in all these countries in the mid-east, none of these terrorists would even give a shit about this country.

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Sick and tired of the Snowden fanbase [View all] Galraedia Jun 2013 OP

Here we go. ForgoTheConsequence Jun 2013 #1

alert results : 5-1 LEAVE IT n/t ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2013 #34

Who in the world would alert something that innocent? n-t Logical Jun 2013 #37

someone making that same face??? nt ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2013 #38

Hahaha. ForgoTheConsequence Jun 2013 #41

I don't think it was the OP ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2013 #47

LOL Rise Rebel Resist Jun 2013 #149

Someone who does not believe in free speech still_one Jun 2013 #106

LMAO East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #125

Actually, that looks more like whining coming from the Leaker's supporters. Cha Jun 2013 #263

The United States makes itself look bad. He's merely providing the opportunity. Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #2

Exactly. Though on second thought I think the OP is angry that the US is made to look weak. snagglepuss Jun 2013 #251

You never loved his ballerina girlfriend n/t leftstreet Jun 2013 #3

Wtf does his girlfriend have to do with him leaking foreign surveillance operations by the U.S.... Galraedia Jun 2013 #7

Uh, I think actually she's his 'ex' girlfriend n/t leftstreet Jun 2013 #23

OP has poopy pants. avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #4

BWAH! bigwillq Jun 2013 #9

Excellent debating tactics. Wait Wut Jun 2013 #11

Romper Room... one_voice Jun 2013 #17

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #5

You didn't show the whole jury or the reason for alert marions ghost Jun 2013 #30

"mofo"? Blue_Roses Jun 2013 #33

well, the OP ended up being mild quinnox Jun 2013 #6

The ignore button works on my end. bigwillq Jun 2013 #8

And Im sick and tired of the secrets and lies in a government Obama said was going to be transparent davidn3600 Jun 2013 #10

I'm sick and tired of people blaming liberals for not fixing every damn thing they have... Galraedia Jun 2013 #27

Let us know which issues we can complain about! Thanks! n-t Logical Jun 2013 #42

Uhmmm.... whttevrr Jun 2013 #51

Secret and lies? Galraedia Jun 2013 #68

It's ok... whttevrr Jun 2013 #79

If it's not a secret, why is everyone so riled up? Marrah_G Jun 2013 #129

Good point. Enthusiast Jun 2013 #347

NSA isn't really a secret? progressoid Jun 2013 #133

oh, it's not secret and was already known in 2006? then what's the big deal and why HiPointDem Jun 2013 #255

He stole documents regarding America's foreign surveillance genius. Galraedia Jun 2013 #281

Obama could have vetoed re-authorization davidn3600 Jun 2013 #67

Except the reauthorization is what added the "due process" jeff47 Jun 2013 #80

Sorry but I dont trust the FISA court to protect the 4th amendment davidn3600 Jun 2013 #115

And you should ask yourself, "why shouldn't they?" jeff47 Jun 2013 #126

It's a secret court...so how do we know if the 4th amendment is being followed? davidn3600 Jun 2013 #137

We'd look for evidence that it's not jeff47 Jun 2013 #147

That's not what this is about...this is about domestic spying davidn3600 Jun 2013 #171

I'm talking about domestic spying. jeff47 Jun 2013 #180

...... snappyturtle Jun 2013 #224

It's collected because you have a phone bill. jeff47 Jun 2013 #236

In my case, T-Mobile collects it. They do not have my permission to turn it snappyturtle Jun 2013 #244

They don't need your permission. It's their data. jeff47 Jun 2013 #381

I'm obviously not getting my point across. WHEN the gov't gets a warrant snappyturtle Jun 2013 #385

They did get a warrant. That's what Snowden leaked. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2013 #387

LOL The FISA court must be working a lot of overtime. nt snappyturtle Jun 2013 #388

It comes from a company who has no call to share it with the government DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #303

You seem to be operating under the illusion that the phone companies are just now sharing. jeff47 Jun 2013 #382

No, I'm not operating under any illusions. I was right here in 2006, pissed off. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #383

too bad treestar Jun 2013 #191

From the looks of this scandal and majority of DU...you're wrong davidn3600 Jun 2013 #193

From the way representative democracy works treestar Jun 2013 #211

The basic lack of transparency on the gov't's part doesn't elicit trust. imho nt snappyturtle Jun 2013 #228

It seems � 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #271

So wise words from Franklin are fine til shit gets real, then it's time to abandon them? DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #306

Exactly ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #311

Wrong question. Ask the right one, and I'll be happy to answer. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #312

What would be the "right" question to ask? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #316

There should be no higher priority than repealing the Patriot Act and reversing the surveillance totodeinhere Jun 2013 #160

+ a gazillion! I was leary of the "Patriot" Act from its debut....very scary and done snappyturtle Jun 2013 #249

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2013 #235

No one blames liberals except regressives and corporate neolibs TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #272

You are confusing Democrats with the bed wetting vapors sufferers. Nt pkdu Jun 2013 #304

I am sick of those who are using Snowden as a distraction. Just what the 1% wants. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #386

BS and I'm sick of that exaggeration treestar Jun 2013 #189

I'm just sick and tired ...and I just crapped in my pants. L0oniX Jun 2013 #283

They'll be fans unless and until Snowden's information hurts someone flamingdem Jun 2013 #12

Don't be too sure. BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #75

I see what you mean flamingdem Jun 2013 #81

yes, we all hate obama so much that we voted for him. frylock Jun 2013 #83

It really is the most ridiculous argument I've seen at DU in a long time laundry_queen Jun 2013 #181

it's all part of the authoritarian mindset.. frylock Jun 2013 #188

I have plenty of lefty credentials flamingdem Jun 2013 #196

the "poutrage of the day" will still be in effect long after obama is gone.. frylock Jun 2013 #202

That's a very general statement flamingdem Jun 2013 #210

voluntary.. frylock Jun 2013 #217

no idea of your point nt flamingdem Jun 2013 #220

...... snappyturtle Jun 2013 #241

so you have no concept of give/take? frylock Jun 2013 #248

What isn't voluntary about the kinds of behaviors that could produce a FISA warrant? patrice Jun 2013 #268

i guess that i'd have to know exactly what kinds of behavior would merit a FISA warrant.. frylock Jun 2013 #287

Sorry, OWA? & Thanks. nt patrice Jun 2013 #290

my bad. OWS.. frylock Jun 2013 #291

I admit that the reason I'm feeling constructive about this is that I hope to see a viable patrice Jun 2013 #298

I grew up with one of those laundry_queen Jun 2013 #245

You never really loved him! QC Jun 2013 #242

Has OP ever said that you are a racist? nt patrice Jun 2013 #257

Please enlighten us and say who you're talking about. tblue Jun 2013 #128

Wow, so much nonsense in one post. LibAsHell Jun 2013 #153

I agree that people here really NEED to get in the habit of qualifying their statements much patrice Jun 2013 #270

Here here "BlueCaliDem"! Iliyah Jun 2013 #170

VRA battle is alive on Twitter. aquart Jun 2013 #174

Your bigotry is offputting. chervilant Jun 2013 #260

I agree with most of this, except economic class prejudice is the more relevant driver. It's race patrice Jun 2013 #264

They will just keep on justifying treestar Jun 2013 #190

I finally got one GreenwaldSnowden devotee here to answer that the principle is worth millions of patrice Jun 2013 #254

I would not bet on that. Cha Jun 2013 #267

I'd sure as hell trust journalists more than the NSA. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #13

Of course they have things to hide. Just as the outing of Valerie Plame contributed to Bush's War, patrice Jun 2013 #275

He is a traitor and deserves the full weight of the law on him ksoze Jun 2013 #14

How many pounds is that? Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #21

Tons ksoze Jun 2013 #43

Considering how little we seem to care about the rule of law anymore Hydra Jun 2013 #54

why do you hate freedom? datasuspect Jun 2013 #61

If freedom is the criteria, being wrong in assuming there's no need for secret security intelligence patrice Jun 2013 #288

what about those who are pro-Snowden? Do you consider them "traitors" too, in a sense? quinnox Jun 2013 #65

You must know more than I do please what specifically nineteen50 Jun 2013 #142

Neither group has full story... whttevrr Jun 2013 #15

The anti-Snowden's already have evidence that he gave secrets to the Chinese flamingdem Jun 2013 #19

What evidence? whttevrr Jun 2013 #28

whatever.. flamingdem Jun 2013 #31

eyeroll whttevrr Jun 2013 #35

Trust me, that "big revelation" was Tuesday nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #85

can you provide evidence of the evidence? frylock Jun 2013 #92

he gave them the IP addresses of the Chinese computers we hack and whether he hacks were arely staircase Jun 2013 #39

I know, right? whttevrr Jun 2013 #58

The Chinese government had managed to drain the contents of Mr. Snowden four laptops Fla Dem Jun 2013 #178

wow. who knew the chinese had the tech to drain a laptop. we are totally fucked. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #229

Too bad he didn't show the China papers the computers... Historic NY Jun 2013 #325

Hasn't even been to trial and is already a guilty traitor nineteen50 Jun 2013 #152

Re your last sentence: If you have a right to live, so do those few, even if it's just one - AND - patrice Jun 2013 #295

patrice you are wonderful with words flamingdem Jun 2013 #338

yes, it's over the top Blue_Roses Jun 2013 #16

Do you mean now the whole world knows nineteen50 Jun 2013 #161

You are worried about marions ghost Jun 2013 #18

Oh, it's more than making the US "look bad", and you should know that. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #36

Stop telling my wife about my affairs whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #40

Bazinga! avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #154

Kerry is not successful because he is Kerry whttevrr Jun 2013 #45

The OP said marions ghost Jun 2013 #63

yottabyte whttevrr Jun 2013 #70

Data mining in Utah marions ghost Jun 2013 #86

Too late nineteen50 Jun 2013 #168

+1 politicasista Jun 2013 #226

You might want to read LaFeber's The American Age. chervilant Jun 2013 #265

That's what I was thinking. See #295. patrice Jun 2013 #297

I have a clear view of where our country Blue_Roses Jun 2013 #76

Oh brother... whttevrr Jun 2013 #82

This is not the country of your parents marions ghost Jun 2013 #94

Well said! Some are going willingly into their electronic cages. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2013 #349

Run Montag (Snowden) nineteen50 Jun 2013 #176

No,no, no. THere should be no good OR bad. We tell other countries with our bully snappyturtle Jun 2013 #233

Absolutely marions ghost Jun 2013 #237

Thank YOU for your great replies...can't you hear me cheering you on? ha! snappyturtle Jun 2013 #246

I heard that, yes marions ghost Jun 2013 #274

I thank you from the bottom of my heart for my dad,,,he loved America. And, snappyturtle Jun 2013 #277

A brief clink back marions ghost Jun 2013 #284

Solidarity....yes. nt snappyturtle Jun 2013 #286

He doesn't give a fuck about out privacy madokie Jun 2013 #20

Who's going to take them down? Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #26

If true, so what? Why would that matter? bowens43 Jun 2013 #52

+1 nt jaysunb Jun 2013 #214

I am told there are different kinds of Libertarians. The only kind I have ever met only care about patrice Jun 2013 #300

Sick of the Snowden haters fanbase. avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #22

Me too...they are led by Obama true beleivers and the low post count brigade... bowens43 Jun 2013 #55

yep, but they are also dropping like flies quinnox Jun 2013 #62

I miss grave dancing. L0oniX Jun 2013 #279

It was a spam-bot and those are usually designed not to represent a real person's true patrice Jun 2013 #305

That's a prejudiced statement based on little or no information. & my how you all scream patrice Jun 2013 #302

please put them on ignore then carolinayellowdog Jun 2013 #206

If we are going to kill the messenger, shouldn't we at least look at the message? KurtNYC Jun 2013 #24

Nnnnooo!!! whttevrr Jun 2013 #32

And if you want people to really focus on your message... Galraedia Jun 2013 #49

What did he turn over to foreign governments? Marrah_G Jun 2013 #132

Like it or not, the discussion is happening. It's big. It's ongoing. It's a good thing. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #309

Help me understand chervilant Jun 2013 #346

Not a fan of killing kids and innocents with drones myself The Straight Story Jun 2013 #25

Yet you and others seem to dislike Kerry politicasista Jun 2013 #222

I see you're out of hibernation Union Scribe Jun 2013 #342

It's true politicasista Jun 2013 #377

Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed: everything else is public relations. Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #44

You put that very nicely Progressive dog Jun 2013 #46

His biggest crime Aerows Jun 2013 #48

Ah, the old blame Obama drama. Galraedia Jun 2013 #57

Oh no Aerows Jun 2013 #66

Wow. Is that really that argument you're resorting to? DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #108

exactly. limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #169

This message was self-deleted by its author limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #164

Patently false. He should have vetoed this. It did not pass by a veto-proof margin in the House. limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #166

Well he hasn't really done anything to get rid of the fascist Patriot Act warrant46 Jun 2013 #212

+ 1000. Yup, that sums it up in a nutshell quinnox Jun 2013 #59

Ohhhh... whttevrr Jun 2013 #77

Exactly. Apophis Jun 2013 #97

If you want people to BELIEVE that you are capable of being objective, you need to patrice Jun 2013 #308

On the other hand Aerows Jun 2013 #352

His intentions are irrelevent...get over it already. bowens43 Jun 2013 #50

I'm sick of all the PRISM and Partriot Act fanbase. liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #53

This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #56

not sick enough to refrain from posting YET ANOTHER thread about it datasuspect Jun 2013 #60

Doh! whttevrr Jun 2013 #64

it's like a diarrhea post datasuspect Jun 2013 #69

RE: everything else you said sounded like gibberish, sorry. whttevrr Jun 2013 #87

hurr hurrr datasuspect Jun 2013 #119

When Democrats act as badly as Republicans Aerows Jun 2013 #71

Haha. The realization is part and parcel of the DU experience... Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #72

at least there weren't any blue links. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #230

Are you promoting hate of another DU -er? That's pretty low and it undercuts your patrice Jun 2013 #313

no i am expressing a dislike of blue links. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #348

No, you're just intolerant of opinions that differ from yours. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #73

I'm tired of people sycophanting to the Bush/Cheney/neocon surveillance state. n/t Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #74

Now it's the Bush/Cheney/Obama/neocon surveillance state. n/t totodeinhere Jun 2013 #165

more like truman/eisenhower/kennedy/johnson/nixon/ford/carter/reagan/bush/clinton/bush/obama Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #294

But it has gotten worse and more widespread lately especially since the passage totodeinhere Jun 2013 #373

Yep. But of course, those supporting Obama are quick to dismiss the GEORGE BUSH component somehow. Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #299

It's not an either/or, people. Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2013 #78

You can do a few things nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #84

Understood creon Jun 2013 #88

Wikileaks redux. How anyone can fall for this kabuki AGAIN is hard to fathom. ucrdem Jun 2013 #89

Wait! What? whttevrr Jun 2013 #95

Yes, that's exactly what I've been saying since the Verizon subpoena appeared. ucrdem Jun 2013 #98

Oh Shit! You're Serious? whttevrr Jun 2013 #105

Of course I'm serious. I've also been around the block and this is nothing new. ucrdem Jun 2013 #109

oh well that clears it all up frylock Jun 2013 #138

I'd post a link but you probably wouldn't read it. ucrdem Jun 2013 #150

There's no mention of Wikileaks or Assange in your reference re: climategate. GeorgeGist Jun 2013 #339

reply #26: "Wikileaks released the 'hacked' CRU emails, a deed Assange proudly takes credit ucrdem Jun 2013 #340

You are COMPLETELY missing the point. Maedhros Jun 2013 #159

+1! nt sheshe2 Jun 2013 #117

Thank you! ucrdem Jun 2013 #120

Welcome! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #121

LOL Iliyah Jun 2013 #184

The makers of tinfoil thank you. /nt Marr Jun 2013 #231

And Obama reading your e-mail isn't tinfoil? ucrdem Jun 2013 #341

No, that one's a strawman. Yours was tinfoil. Marr Jun 2013 #357

how do you feel about the 4th amendment fanbase? frylock Jun 2013 #90

We must be libertarians nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #91

Skinner showed a couple of libertarians the exit last night. ucrdem Jun 2013 #104

Alas that is what you claim nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #116

The "Libertarian" party was cooked up in a GOP think tank and established in 1971. ucrdem Jun 2013 #118

Wrong. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #124

Yes I'm sure it has noble roots in the Knights Templar etc etc ucrdem Jun 2013 #127

History is not fiction nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #131

You're seriously trying to sell Libertarianism on DU? ucrdem Jun 2013 #134

Try reading comp next time. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #145

We don't agree on too many things, Nadin. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #350

We don't nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #364

Avarice and fakery go way back, true. Speaking of reading: ucrdem Jun 2013 #355

So you are still misdirecting nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #356

Every bad idea has a history including vulture capitalism. ucrdem Jun 2013 #358

Historical context and history nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #359

I didn't call Wyden and Udall anything. Your claims are absurd and offensive. nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #361

Keep digging nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #362

Keep talking. I won't be listening. ucrdem Jun 2013 #366

Good...you could not learn anything. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #368

Someone got pissy enough to alert on this post. Unfortunately for them jury disagreed. idwiyo Jun 2013 #367

Irony. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #205

Yup nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #247

your problem is that you focus on party and personality.. frylock Jun 2013 #144

Bingo. nt Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #369

i'll admit to being a civil libertarian, but i'm progressive to the bone frylock Jun 2013 #139

Yup, I know, part of a long strain in us history nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #148

Now seriously, when did the 4th amendment become your be all and end all? ucrdem Jun 2013 #93

huh... whttevrr Jun 2013 #99

I'm a partisan, yes. And guess what? ucrdem Jun 2013 #100

you add nothing to the conversation.. frylock Jun 2013 #146

I notice that you didn't answer my question. nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #155

There was a question in that? nt Hissyspit Jun 2013 #208

It's IN THE FUCKING BILL OF RIGHTS. By definition, it's very damn close DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #343

Those are my peeps! tblue Jun 2013 #258

The US has made itself look bad decades ago. Apophis Jun 2013 #96

He betrayed state secrets to the NSA's most feared enemy of the state... backscatter712 Jun 2013 #101

I hate pork rinds! Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #102

so do i madrchsod Jun 2013 #262

Let's be honest. The split here is between Marr Jun 2013 #103

Yes, because Obama put in place this surveillance program all by himself... Galraedia Jun 2013 #111

Is that supposed to be a defense? Marr Jun 2013 #122

No, that is not my point. Galraedia Jun 2013 #135

he signed off on USAPATRIOT.. frylock Jun 2013 #151

And waste taxpayer money on something that was reauthorized by a majority in Congress? Galraedia Jun 2013 #173

so now political expediency is tied cost-risk analysis? frylock Jun 2013 #182

Again with this patheitc argument? DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #183

"waste taxpayer money" RetroLounge Jun 2013 #292

The Director of National Intelligence runs the NSA Maedhros Jun 2013 #167

Yeah, right. Then two months after he discontinued it.... oops... Amonester Jun 2013 #328

If our President makes his decisions based on the fear that Republicans will complain Maedhros Jun 2013 #330

That was another 'era' and the repukes weren't as 'dangerous' as they now R... Amonester Jun 2013 #332

If Obama is the liberal leader you all say he is Maedhros Jun 2013 #333

Let me ask if you've read 'The List' of liberal issues he already accomplished? Amonester Jun 2013 #334

Just in case, here's a link to a link to 'the list' Amonester Jun 2013 #335

I've seen it, and I acknowledge the positive things Obama has accomplished. Maedhros Jun 2013 #370

I'm not talking about his 'personal' cost at all, since quite frankly... Amonester Jun 2013 #380

He also is using his discretion here TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #296

He has the ability to put a stop to it Marrah_G Jun 2013 #123

I haven't seen any Snowden defenders saying that. And I'm sure you totodeinhere Jun 2013 #172

Using logical fallacies wont win you any arguments. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #384

Thanks... whttevrr Jun 2013 #114

^^^^^^^^^ mike_c Jun 2013 #158

I don't care that Snowden made Obama look bad justiceischeap Jun 2013 #218

"may or may not," "may well have," "may be," "who's to say," "if so" Demit Jun 2013 #252

Is that why Valerie Plame is saying that U.S. citizens owe Snowden a thank-you? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #266

I agree that he was right to tell the public about the NSA spying on us justiceischeap Jun 2013 #345

Please, never complain about anyone mischaracterizing your case, or being prejudiced against you patrice Jun 2013 #324

oh well Marrah_G Jun 2013 #107

I am with you! Vietnameravet Jun 2013 #110

what should the government do to punish DUers after a terror attack? carolinayellowdog Jun 2013 #213

Yea, throw all of us in Gitmo! quinnox Jun 2013 #221

I'll alert the media! Puglover Jun 2013 #112

Alerted. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #185

Are you taking requests? Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #269

You must first alert on your self to understand the deeper purpose of Dem zombie voters. L0oniX Jun 2013 #282

+1 here Galraedia! Lady Freedom Returns Jun 2013 #113

Log Out is located in the top right corner of the screen... Earth_First Jun 2013 #130

Snowden is a dead man. sulphurdunn Jun 2013 #136

Wave the flag? avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #141

Sure, millions of them, in the streets sulphurdunn Jun 2013 #162

With a thread title like this, one expects a lot of hyperbole. longship Jun 2013 #140

You left out the bit about the government spying on the American people, which he exposed. limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #143

It was exposed back in 2006. Galraedia Jun 2013 #187

Too bad the government kept it a secret from the American people until Snowden exposed it. limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #197

That's an exaggeration. Galraedia Jun 2013 #219

Q: If it was so innocent why was the government keeping it a secret from the American people? limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #227

Sick and tired of character assassination. n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #156

OK, your concern is noted.... mike_c Jun 2013 #157

I can understand your concern, but the fact is that other countries, at JDPriestly Jun 2013 #163

How is it that Snowden could become so indoctrinated in Socialism without attending an American populistdriven Jun 2013 #175

We Will Have To Agree To Disagree cantbeserious Jun 2013 #177

So now the entire world will have access to our personal info? ecstatic Jun 2013 #179

I am sick and tired of the NSA fan base usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #186

IMHO, YOU ARE SPOT ON! corneliamcgillicutty Jun 2013 #192

Galraedia, maybe this will ease your mind. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #194

1984 nineteen50 Jun 2013 #195

You have convinced me . . . another_liberal Jun 2013 #198

How many times during Bush did we have to turn to the foreign media? Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #199

What? Hissyspit Jun 2013 #200

"Sick and tired of the Snowden fanbase" Yes! SoapBox Jun 2013 #201

sick and tired of people making this about DU of all things carolinayellowdog Jun 2013 #203

Cry Me A river! BillyRibs Jun 2013 #204

what a well thought out line of B.s. Chaco Dundee Jun 2013 #207

I don't see Snowden criticizing China for spying on us or on their own people... Galraedia Jun 2013 #223

true Chaco Dundee Jun 2013 #259

Sick and tired of authoritarian fellaciators. Arctic Dave Jun 2013 #209

There be one problem with that theory Savannahmann Jun 2013 #215

Oh stomp your feet too! Grow up....OR don't complain down the road snappyturtle Jun 2013 #216

Kick politicasista Jun 2013 #225

The sickest thing is he pretends he's doing it for everyone else. MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #232

Same here shenmue Jun 2013 #234

So when you are puking over it... 99Forever Jun 2013 #238

lol. Don't hold back now. quinnox Jun 2013 #240

I like the leaks, but I also like your ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #239

Things are starting to turn. Greenwald is on the defensive and Snowden is now cowering in Russia Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #243

Good for you....you win! snappyturtle Jun 2013 #250

I actually wouldn't mind if many of these surveillance programs are eliminated altogether Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #253

Until we know what he devulged I think it is wrong to indict him. snappyturtle Jun 2013 #273

I agree with you. The great irony is that the far left is being played by a poser and coward. bluestate10 Jun 2013 #278

Sad to say that I think you're correct. nt patrice Jun 2013 #317

What a dramatic narrative! sibelian Jun 2013 #344

Greenwald is on the defensive? Hissyspit Jun 2013 #310

+1 flamingdem Jun 2013 #374

I'm sick & tired of repeating the same question on this issue: How many dead people is being wrong patrice Jun 2013 #256

your last sentence sums him up. madrchsod Jun 2013 #261

Snowden is a traitor hiding under a cause that average americans can relate to. bluestate10 Jun 2013 #276

+1 n/t Lady Freedom Returns Jun 2013 #289

I just crapped in my pants ..after reading all this shit. L0oniX Jun 2013 #280

Quite apart from what Snowden has or doesn't have, what he is or isn't... GliderGuider Jun 2013 #285

I wish he was our President Ter Jun 2013 #293

I checked with my local Snowden fan club DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #301

You mean that piece of paper that institutionalized corporate personhood, a.k.a. the oligarchy . . . patrice Jun 2013 #318

Yes, that piece of paper. I support the Constitution DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #337

Not as sick as I am of people who defend illegal government operations against the American people. Octafish Jun 2013 #307

Snowden's choice to bring the international community Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #314

So it's perfectly okay for China to hack our computers and steal around 12 secret military Galraedia Jun 2013 #320

What business does the U.S. have Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #353

What business does Snowden have deciding U.S. foreign policy? Galraedia Jun 2013 #360

Snowden didn't decide U.S. foreign policy Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #365

You mean that they're unsophisticated and naive? flamingdem Jun 2013 #331

He's a traitor Pirate Smile Jun 2013 #315

Actually I think he is a hero Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #319

You choose the Republican Clapper? Not surprised. Fascism is so easy. I stand with the 99%. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #322

That pretty much has to be part of the rational. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #375

The lines have been drawn. You stand with the 1%. May your god forgive you. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #321

How so? I don't support the Patriot Act or Snowden. Galraedia Jun 2013 #323

300+ Replies & not one, "n dead people are an acceptable consequence of my position" & What calls patrice Jun 2013 #326

Your premise doesn't pass Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #327

I am not a fan of the man either but I respect those who think him a hero. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #329

I heart Snowden! David__77 Jun 2013 #336

I'm sick of naive or malicious police state apologists make my country the joke of the world with Zorra Jun 2013 #351

I have many friends and family outside the U.S. that ask me Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #354

I get that constantly. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #371

K & R Scurrilous Jun 2013 #363

911? Need Waahhmbulance stat in GD. wtmusic Jun 2013 #372

Yeah, I'm cool with that. JoeyT Jun 2013 #376

Sorry but what does domestic spying have to do with U.S. foreign surveillance on non allied nations? Galraedia Jun 2013 #378

That's what was the most embarrassing. JoeyT Jun 2013 #379