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In reply to the discussion: Sick and tired of the Snowden fanbase [View all]Maedhros
(10,007 posts)159. You are COMPLETELY missing the point.
Obama is President, and the Director of National Intelligence reports directly to the President.
The DNI is in charge of the National Security Agency and has direct authority over its surveillance programs.
If the surveillance programs are illegal and/or unconstitutional, then that would mean the DNI is overseeing an illegal/unconstitutional program.
If the DNI is overseeing an illegal/unconstitutional program, then that means the President must have signed off on the same program, since the office of the President controls the office of the DNI.
If Obama signed off on an illegal/unconstitutional program, then he would be in the wrong.
But Obama is the President, and cannot be wrong, therefore the program cannot be illegal or unconstitutional and Snowden hates freedom.
See? Nothing to worry about.
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The United States makes itself look bad. He's merely providing the opportunity.
Gravitycollapse
Jun 2013
#2
Exactly. Though on second thought I think the OP is angry that the US is made to look weak.
snagglepuss
Jun 2013
#251
Wtf does his girlfriend have to do with him leaking foreign surveillance operations by the U.S....
Galraedia
Jun 2013
#7
And Im sick and tired of the secrets and lies in a government Obama said was going to be transparent
davidn3600
Jun 2013
#10
I'm sick and tired of people blaming liberals for not fixing every damn thing they have...
Galraedia
Jun 2013
#27
oh, it's not secret and was already known in 2006? then what's the big deal and why
HiPointDem
Jun 2013
#255
It's a secret court...so how do we know if the 4th amendment is being followed?
davidn3600
Jun 2013
#137
In my case, T-Mobile collects it. They do not have my permission to turn it
snappyturtle
Jun 2013
#244
It comes from a company who has no call to share it with the government
DisgustipatedinCA
Jun 2013
#303
You seem to be operating under the illusion that the phone companies are just now sharing.
jeff47
Jun 2013
#382
No, I'm not operating under any illusions. I was right here in 2006, pissed off.
DisgustipatedinCA
Jun 2013
#383
The basic lack of transparency on the gov't's part doesn't elicit trust. imho nt
snappyturtle
Jun 2013
#228
So wise words from Franklin are fine til shit gets real, then it's time to abandon them?
DisgustipatedinCA
Jun 2013
#306
There should be no higher priority than repealing the Patriot Act and reversing the surveillance
totodeinhere
Jun 2013
#160
+ a gazillion! I was leary of the "Patriot" Act from its debut....very scary and done
snappyturtle
Jun 2013
#249
I am sick of those who are using Snowden as a distraction. Just what the 1% wants.
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#386
It really is the most ridiculous argument I've seen at DU in a long time
laundry_queen
Jun 2013
#181
What isn't voluntary about the kinds of behaviors that could produce a FISA warrant?
patrice
Jun 2013
#268
i guess that i'd have to know exactly what kinds of behavior would merit a FISA warrant..
frylock
Jun 2013
#287
I admit that the reason I'm feeling constructive about this is that I hope to see a viable
patrice
Jun 2013
#298
I agree that people here really NEED to get in the habit of qualifying their statements much
patrice
Jun 2013
#270
I agree with most of this, except economic class prejudice is the more relevant driver. It's race
patrice
Jun 2013
#264
I finally got one GreenwaldSnowden devotee here to answer that the principle is worth millions of
patrice
Jun 2013
#254
Of course they have things to hide. Just as the outing of Valerie Plame contributed to Bush's War,
patrice
Jun 2013
#275
If freedom is the criteria, being wrong in assuming there's no need for secret security intelligence
patrice
Jun 2013
#288
what about those who are pro-Snowden? Do you consider them "traitors" too, in a sense?
quinnox
Jun 2013
#65
The anti-Snowden's already have evidence that he gave secrets to the Chinese
flamingdem
Jun 2013
#19
he gave them the IP addresses of the Chinese computers we hack and whether he hacks were
arely staircase
Jun 2013
#39
The Chinese government had managed to drain the contents of Mr. Snowden four laptops
Fla Dem
Jun 2013
#178
wow. who knew the chinese had the tech to drain a laptop. we are totally fucked.
Warren Stupidity
Jun 2013
#229
Re your last sentence: If you have a right to live, so do those few, even if it's just one - AND -
patrice
Jun 2013
#295
No,no, no. THere should be no good OR bad. We tell other countries with our bully
snappyturtle
Jun 2013
#233
Thank YOU for your great replies...can't you hear me cheering you on? ha!
snappyturtle
Jun 2013
#246
I thank you from the bottom of my heart for my dad,,,he loved America. And,
snappyturtle
Jun 2013
#277
I am told there are different kinds of Libertarians. The only kind I have ever met only care about
patrice
Jun 2013
#300
Me too...they are led by Obama true beleivers and the low post count brigade...
bowens43
Jun 2013
#55
It was a spam-bot and those are usually designed not to represent a real person's true
patrice
Jun 2013
#305
That's a prejudiced statement based on little or no information. & my how you all scream
patrice
Jun 2013
#302
If we are going to kill the messenger, shouldn't we at least look at the message?
KurtNYC
Jun 2013
#24
Like it or not, the discussion is happening. It's big. It's ongoing. It's a good thing.
DisgustipatedinCA
Jun 2013
#309
Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed: everything else is public relations.
Fire Walk With Me
Jun 2013
#29
Patently false. He should have vetoed this. It did not pass by a veto-proof margin in the House.
limpyhobbler
Jun 2013
#166
If you want people to BELIEVE that you are capable of being objective, you need to
patrice
Jun 2013
#308
Are you promoting hate of another DU -er? That's pretty low and it undercuts your
patrice
Jun 2013
#313
I'm tired of people sycophanting to the Bush/Cheney/neocon surveillance state. n/t
Fire Walk With Me
Jun 2013
#74
more like truman/eisenhower/kennedy/johnson/nixon/ford/carter/reagan/bush/clinton/bush/obama
Warren Stupidity
Jun 2013
#294
But it has gotten worse and more widespread lately especially since the passage
totodeinhere
Jun 2013
#373
Yep. But of course, those supporting Obama are quick to dismiss the GEORGE BUSH component somehow.
Fire Walk With Me
Jun 2013
#299
Of course I'm serious. I've also been around the block and this is nothing new.
ucrdem
Jun 2013
#109
There's no mention of Wikileaks or Assange in your reference re: climategate.
GeorgeGist
Jun 2013
#339
reply #26: "Wikileaks released the 'hacked' CRU emails, a deed Assange proudly takes credit
ucrdem
Jun 2013
#340
The "Libertarian" party was cooked up in a GOP think tank and established in 1971.
ucrdem
Jun 2013
#118
I didn't call Wyden and Udall anything. Your claims are absurd and offensive. nt
ucrdem
Jun 2013
#361
Someone got pissy enough to alert on this post. Unfortunately for them jury disagreed.
idwiyo
Jun 2013
#367
It's IN THE FUCKING BILL OF RIGHTS. By definition, it's very damn close
DisgustipatedinCA
Jun 2013
#343
He betrayed state secrets to the NSA's most feared enemy of the state...
backscatter712
Jun 2013
#101
And waste taxpayer money on something that was reauthorized by a majority in Congress?
Galraedia
Jun 2013
#173
If our President makes his decisions based on the fear that Republicans will complain
Maedhros
Jun 2013
#330
That was another 'era' and the repukes weren't as 'dangerous' as they now R...
Amonester
Jun 2013
#332
Let me ask if you've read 'The List' of liberal issues he already accomplished?
Amonester
Jun 2013
#334
Is that why Valerie Plame is saying that U.S. citizens owe Snowden a thank-you?
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jun 2013
#266
I agree that he was right to tell the public about the NSA spying on us
justiceischeap
Jun 2013
#345
Please, never complain about anyone mischaracterizing your case, or being prejudiced against you
patrice
Jun 2013
#324
what should the government do to punish DUers after a terror attack?
carolinayellowdog
Jun 2013
#213
You must first alert on your self to understand the deeper purpose of Dem zombie voters.
L0oniX
Jun 2013
#282
You left out the bit about the government spying on the American people, which he exposed.
limpyhobbler
Jun 2013
#143
Too bad the government kept it a secret from the American people until Snowden exposed it.
limpyhobbler
Jun 2013
#197
Q: If it was so innocent why was the government keeping it a secret from the American people?
limpyhobbler
Jun 2013
#227
How is it that Snowden could become so indoctrinated in Socialism without attending an American
populistdriven
Jun 2013
#175
I don't see Snowden criticizing China for spying on us or on their own people...
Galraedia
Jun 2013
#223
Things are starting to turn. Greenwald is on the defensive and Snowden is now cowering in Russia
Cali_Democrat
Jun 2013
#243
I actually wouldn't mind if many of these surveillance programs are eliminated altogether
Cali_Democrat
Jun 2013
#253
I agree with you. The great irony is that the far left is being played by a poser and coward.
bluestate10
Jun 2013
#278
I'm sick & tired of repeating the same question on this issue: How many dead people is being wrong
patrice
Jun 2013
#256
Snowden is a traitor hiding under a cause that average americans can relate to.
bluestate10
Jun 2013
#276
Quite apart from what Snowden has or doesn't have, what he is or isn't...
GliderGuider
Jun 2013
#285
You mean that piece of paper that institutionalized corporate personhood, a.k.a. the oligarchy . . .
patrice
Jun 2013
#318
Not as sick as I am of people who defend illegal government operations against the American people.
Octafish
Jun 2013
#307
So it's perfectly okay for China to hack our computers and steal around 12 secret military
Galraedia
Jun 2013
#320
You choose the Republican Clapper? Not surprised. Fascism is so easy. I stand with the 99%.
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#322
The lines have been drawn. You stand with the 1%. May your god forgive you. nm
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#321
300+ Replies & not one, "n dead people are an acceptable consequence of my position" & What calls
patrice
Jun 2013
#326
I'm sick of naive or malicious police state apologists make my country the joke of the world with
Zorra
Jun 2013
#351