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Orsino

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18. That definition is, by definition, knee-jerk...

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 05:59 PM

Jun 2013

...ignoring as it does the possibility of multiple levels of loyalty. Absolute adherence to the letter of Snowden's contract and/or his oath might conflict with each other, and both of those with his loyalty to our interests.

I can't prove that Snowden's were all altruistic, but if he can ultimately be said to have acted much more in support of the Constitution than he did against specific regulations, the word "traitor" would be seen as the simplistic label it is--at this point, at least, before we know what he has done and why.

You and I may have much cause to change our opinions before we learn all we are allowed to learn. Why make up our minds in the first two weeks?

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Traitor Exception Clause: "I don't agree with the secret data I stole, so it's okay" [View all] ksoze Jun 2013 OP

It happens. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #1

But we never before hailed defectors TO Russia. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #2

Well. Since nobody has defected to Russia, the point is moot. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #4

Not yet it isn't. He's still there so anything could happen. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #5

So let's accuse him of it when he actually defects. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #6

He HAS defected. He just hasn't found a permanent destination yet. pnwmom Jun 2013 #7

We seem to disagree on the meaning of "defected". Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #8

The dictionary meaning doesn't require sharing secrets or collaborating. pnwmom Jun 2013 #13

What you quoted doesn't describe what he did. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #14

Strawman exception clause Aerows Jun 2013 #3

It's called the Fourth Amendment. It is an unalienable right. avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #9

I could have sworn I read he was in China and Russia with Top Secret data. ksoze Jun 2013 #10

We don't know for a Fact that he gave China or Russia anything at all. avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #11

I think we do know - he told Hong Kong newspapers some ksoze Jun 2013 #16

He told HK "some"?!!! avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #17

It's also the Patriot Exception Clause. Orsino Jun 2013 #12

Definition of "Traitor" (sans knee jerk): ksoze Jun 2013 #15

That definition is, by definition, knee-jerk... Orsino Jun 2013 #18