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flamingdem

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196. I have plenty of lefty credentials

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 06:26 PM

Jun 2013

but I can think clearly and don't follow the poutrage of the day.

Snowden signifies very little long run but he's a hook for the right wing.

Other issues that REALLY matter to more than Liberatarians include

citizens united
climate change
voting rights

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Sick and tired of the Snowden fanbase [View all] Galraedia Jun 2013 OP

Here we go. ForgoTheConsequence Jun 2013 #1

alert results : 5-1 LEAVE IT n/t ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2013 #34

Who in the world would alert something that innocent? n-t Logical Jun 2013 #37

someone making that same face??? nt ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2013 #38

Hahaha. ForgoTheConsequence Jun 2013 #41

I don't think it was the OP ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2013 #47

LOL Rise Rebel Resist Jun 2013 #149

Someone who does not believe in free speech still_one Jun 2013 #106

LMAO East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #125

Actually, that looks more like whining coming from the Leaker's supporters. Cha Jun 2013 #263

The United States makes itself look bad. He's merely providing the opportunity. Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #2

Exactly. Though on second thought I think the OP is angry that the US is made to look weak. snagglepuss Jun 2013 #251

You never loved his ballerina girlfriend n/t leftstreet Jun 2013 #3

Wtf does his girlfriend have to do with him leaking foreign surveillance operations by the U.S.... Galraedia Jun 2013 #7

Uh, I think actually she's his 'ex' girlfriend n/t leftstreet Jun 2013 #23

OP has poopy pants. avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #4

BWAH! bigwillq Jun 2013 #9

Excellent debating tactics. Wait Wut Jun 2013 #11

Romper Room... one_voice Jun 2013 #17

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #5

You didn't show the whole jury or the reason for alert marions ghost Jun 2013 #30

"mofo"? Blue_Roses Jun 2013 #33

well, the OP ended up being mild quinnox Jun 2013 #6

The ignore button works on my end. bigwillq Jun 2013 #8

And Im sick and tired of the secrets and lies in a government Obama said was going to be transparent davidn3600 Jun 2013 #10

I'm sick and tired of people blaming liberals for not fixing every damn thing they have... Galraedia Jun 2013 #27

Let us know which issues we can complain about! Thanks! n-t Logical Jun 2013 #42

Uhmmm.... whttevrr Jun 2013 #51

Secret and lies? Galraedia Jun 2013 #68

It's ok... whttevrr Jun 2013 #79

If it's not a secret, why is everyone so riled up? Marrah_G Jun 2013 #129

Good point. Enthusiast Jun 2013 #347

NSA isn't really a secret? progressoid Jun 2013 #133

oh, it's not secret and was already known in 2006? then what's the big deal and why HiPointDem Jun 2013 #255

He stole documents regarding America's foreign surveillance genius. Galraedia Jun 2013 #281

Obama could have vetoed re-authorization davidn3600 Jun 2013 #67

Except the reauthorization is what added the "due process" jeff47 Jun 2013 #80

Sorry but I dont trust the FISA court to protect the 4th amendment davidn3600 Jun 2013 #115

And you should ask yourself, "why shouldn't they?" jeff47 Jun 2013 #126

It's a secret court...so how do we know if the 4th amendment is being followed? davidn3600 Jun 2013 #137

We'd look for evidence that it's not jeff47 Jun 2013 #147

That's not what this is about...this is about domestic spying davidn3600 Jun 2013 #171

I'm talking about domestic spying. jeff47 Jun 2013 #180

...... snappyturtle Jun 2013 #224

It's collected because you have a phone bill. jeff47 Jun 2013 #236

In my case, T-Mobile collects it. They do not have my permission to turn it snappyturtle Jun 2013 #244

They don't need your permission. It's their data. jeff47 Jun 2013 #381

I'm obviously not getting my point across. WHEN the gov't gets a warrant snappyturtle Jun 2013 #385

They did get a warrant. That's what Snowden leaked. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2013 #387

LOL The FISA court must be working a lot of overtime. nt snappyturtle Jun 2013 #388

It comes from a company who has no call to share it with the government DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #303

You seem to be operating under the illusion that the phone companies are just now sharing. jeff47 Jun 2013 #382

No, I'm not operating under any illusions. I was right here in 2006, pissed off. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #383

too bad treestar Jun 2013 #191

From the looks of this scandal and majority of DU...you're wrong davidn3600 Jun 2013 #193

From the way representative democracy works treestar Jun 2013 #211

The basic lack of transparency on the gov't's part doesn't elicit trust. imho nt snappyturtle Jun 2013 #228

It seems � 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #271

So wise words from Franklin are fine til shit gets real, then it's time to abandon them? DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #306

Exactly ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #311

Wrong question. Ask the right one, and I'll be happy to answer. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #312

What would be the "right" question to ask? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #316

There should be no higher priority than repealing the Patriot Act and reversing the surveillance totodeinhere Jun 2013 #160

+ a gazillion! I was leary of the "Patriot" Act from its debut....very scary and done snappyturtle Jun 2013 #249

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2013 #235

No one blames liberals except regressives and corporate neolibs TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #272

You are confusing Democrats with the bed wetting vapors sufferers. Nt pkdu Jun 2013 #304

I am sick of those who are using Snowden as a distraction. Just what the 1% wants. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #386

BS and I'm sick of that exaggeration treestar Jun 2013 #189

I'm just sick and tired ...and I just crapped in my pants. L0oniX Jun 2013 #283

They'll be fans unless and until Snowden's information hurts someone flamingdem Jun 2013 #12

Don't be too sure. BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #75

I see what you mean flamingdem Jun 2013 #81

yes, we all hate obama so much that we voted for him. frylock Jun 2013 #83

It really is the most ridiculous argument I've seen at DU in a long time laundry_queen Jun 2013 #181

it's all part of the authoritarian mindset.. frylock Jun 2013 #188

I have plenty of lefty credentials flamingdem Jun 2013 #196

the "poutrage of the day" will still be in effect long after obama is gone.. frylock Jun 2013 #202

That's a very general statement flamingdem Jun 2013 #210

voluntary.. frylock Jun 2013 #217

no idea of your point nt flamingdem Jun 2013 #220

...... snappyturtle Jun 2013 #241

so you have no concept of give/take? frylock Jun 2013 #248

What isn't voluntary about the kinds of behaviors that could produce a FISA warrant? patrice Jun 2013 #268

i guess that i'd have to know exactly what kinds of behavior would merit a FISA warrant.. frylock Jun 2013 #287

Sorry, OWA? & Thanks. nt patrice Jun 2013 #290

my bad. OWS.. frylock Jun 2013 #291

I admit that the reason I'm feeling constructive about this is that I hope to see a viable patrice Jun 2013 #298

I grew up with one of those laundry_queen Jun 2013 #245

You never really loved him! QC Jun 2013 #242

Has OP ever said that you are a racist? nt patrice Jun 2013 #257

Please enlighten us and say who you're talking about. tblue Jun 2013 #128

Wow, so much nonsense in one post. LibAsHell Jun 2013 #153

I agree that people here really NEED to get in the habit of qualifying their statements much patrice Jun 2013 #270

Here here "BlueCaliDem"! Iliyah Jun 2013 #170

VRA battle is alive on Twitter. aquart Jun 2013 #174

Your bigotry is offputting. chervilant Jun 2013 #260

I agree with most of this, except economic class prejudice is the more relevant driver. It's race patrice Jun 2013 #264

They will just keep on justifying treestar Jun 2013 #190

I finally got one GreenwaldSnowden devotee here to answer that the principle is worth millions of patrice Jun 2013 #254

I would not bet on that. Cha Jun 2013 #267

I'd sure as hell trust journalists more than the NSA. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #13

Of course they have things to hide. Just as the outing of Valerie Plame contributed to Bush's War, patrice Jun 2013 #275

He is a traitor and deserves the full weight of the law on him ksoze Jun 2013 #14

How many pounds is that? Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #21

Tons ksoze Jun 2013 #43

Considering how little we seem to care about the rule of law anymore Hydra Jun 2013 #54

why do you hate freedom? datasuspect Jun 2013 #61

If freedom is the criteria, being wrong in assuming there's no need for secret security intelligence patrice Jun 2013 #288

what about those who are pro-Snowden? Do you consider them "traitors" too, in a sense? quinnox Jun 2013 #65

You must know more than I do please what specifically nineteen50 Jun 2013 #142

Neither group has full story... whttevrr Jun 2013 #15

The anti-Snowden's already have evidence that he gave secrets to the Chinese flamingdem Jun 2013 #19

What evidence? whttevrr Jun 2013 #28

whatever.. flamingdem Jun 2013 #31

eyeroll whttevrr Jun 2013 #35

Trust me, that "big revelation" was Tuesday nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #85

can you provide evidence of the evidence? frylock Jun 2013 #92

he gave them the IP addresses of the Chinese computers we hack and whether he hacks were arely staircase Jun 2013 #39

I know, right? whttevrr Jun 2013 #58

The Chinese government had managed to drain the contents of Mr. Snowden four laptops Fla Dem Jun 2013 #178

wow. who knew the chinese had the tech to drain a laptop. we are totally fucked. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #229

Too bad he didn't show the China papers the computers... Historic NY Jun 2013 #325

Hasn't even been to trial and is already a guilty traitor nineteen50 Jun 2013 #152

Re your last sentence: If you have a right to live, so do those few, even if it's just one - AND - patrice Jun 2013 #295

patrice you are wonderful with words flamingdem Jun 2013 #338

yes, it's over the top Blue_Roses Jun 2013 #16

Do you mean now the whole world knows nineteen50 Jun 2013 #161

You are worried about marions ghost Jun 2013 #18

Oh, it's more than making the US "look bad", and you should know that. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #36

Stop telling my wife about my affairs whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #40

Bazinga! avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #154

Kerry is not successful because he is Kerry whttevrr Jun 2013 #45

The OP said marions ghost Jun 2013 #63

yottabyte whttevrr Jun 2013 #70

Data mining in Utah marions ghost Jun 2013 #86

Too late nineteen50 Jun 2013 #168

+1 politicasista Jun 2013 #226

You might want to read LaFeber's The American Age. chervilant Jun 2013 #265

That's what I was thinking. See #295. patrice Jun 2013 #297

I have a clear view of where our country Blue_Roses Jun 2013 #76

Oh brother... whttevrr Jun 2013 #82

This is not the country of your parents marions ghost Jun 2013 #94

Well said! Some are going willingly into their electronic cages. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2013 #349

Run Montag (Snowden) nineteen50 Jun 2013 #176

No,no, no. THere should be no good OR bad. We tell other countries with our bully snappyturtle Jun 2013 #233

Absolutely marions ghost Jun 2013 #237

Thank YOU for your great replies...can't you hear me cheering you on? ha! snappyturtle Jun 2013 #246

I heard that, yes marions ghost Jun 2013 #274

I thank you from the bottom of my heart for my dad,,,he loved America. And, snappyturtle Jun 2013 #277

A brief clink back marions ghost Jun 2013 #284

Solidarity....yes. nt snappyturtle Jun 2013 #286

He doesn't give a fuck about out privacy madokie Jun 2013 #20

Who's going to take them down? Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #26

If true, so what? Why would that matter? bowens43 Jun 2013 #52

+1 nt jaysunb Jun 2013 #214

I am told there are different kinds of Libertarians. The only kind I have ever met only care about patrice Jun 2013 #300

Sick of the Snowden haters fanbase. avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #22

Me too...they are led by Obama true beleivers and the low post count brigade... bowens43 Jun 2013 #55

yep, but they are also dropping like flies quinnox Jun 2013 #62

I miss grave dancing. L0oniX Jun 2013 #279

It was a spam-bot and those are usually designed not to represent a real person's true patrice Jun 2013 #305

That's a prejudiced statement based on little or no information. & my how you all scream patrice Jun 2013 #302

please put them on ignore then carolinayellowdog Jun 2013 #206

If we are going to kill the messenger, shouldn't we at least look at the message? KurtNYC Jun 2013 #24

Nnnnooo!!! whttevrr Jun 2013 #32

And if you want people to really focus on your message... Galraedia Jun 2013 #49

What did he turn over to foreign governments? Marrah_G Jun 2013 #132

Like it or not, the discussion is happening. It's big. It's ongoing. It's a good thing. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #309

Help me understand chervilant Jun 2013 #346

Not a fan of killing kids and innocents with drones myself The Straight Story Jun 2013 #25

Yet you and others seem to dislike Kerry politicasista Jun 2013 #222

I see you're out of hibernation Union Scribe Jun 2013 #342

It's true politicasista Jun 2013 #377

Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed: everything else is public relations. Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #44

You put that very nicely Progressive dog Jun 2013 #46

His biggest crime Aerows Jun 2013 #48

Ah, the old blame Obama drama. Galraedia Jun 2013 #57

Oh no Aerows Jun 2013 #66

Wow. Is that really that argument you're resorting to? DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #108

exactly. limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #169

This message was self-deleted by its author limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #164

Patently false. He should have vetoed this. It did not pass by a veto-proof margin in the House. limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #166

Well he hasn't really done anything to get rid of the fascist Patriot Act warrant46 Jun 2013 #212

+ 1000. Yup, that sums it up in a nutshell quinnox Jun 2013 #59

Ohhhh... whttevrr Jun 2013 #77

Exactly. Apophis Jun 2013 #97

If you want people to BELIEVE that you are capable of being objective, you need to patrice Jun 2013 #308

On the other hand Aerows Jun 2013 #352

His intentions are irrelevent...get over it already. bowens43 Jun 2013 #50

I'm sick of all the PRISM and Partriot Act fanbase. liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #53

This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #56

not sick enough to refrain from posting YET ANOTHER thread about it datasuspect Jun 2013 #60

Doh! whttevrr Jun 2013 #64

it's like a diarrhea post datasuspect Jun 2013 #69

RE: everything else you said sounded like gibberish, sorry. whttevrr Jun 2013 #87

hurr hurrr datasuspect Jun 2013 #119

When Democrats act as badly as Republicans Aerows Jun 2013 #71

Haha. The realization is part and parcel of the DU experience... Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #72

at least there weren't any blue links. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #230

Are you promoting hate of another DU -er? That's pretty low and it undercuts your patrice Jun 2013 #313

no i am expressing a dislike of blue links. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #348

No, you're just intolerant of opinions that differ from yours. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #73

I'm tired of people sycophanting to the Bush/Cheney/neocon surveillance state. n/t Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #74

Now it's the Bush/Cheney/Obama/neocon surveillance state. n/t totodeinhere Jun 2013 #165

more like truman/eisenhower/kennedy/johnson/nixon/ford/carter/reagan/bush/clinton/bush/obama Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #294

But it has gotten worse and more widespread lately especially since the passage totodeinhere Jun 2013 #373

Yep. But of course, those supporting Obama are quick to dismiss the GEORGE BUSH component somehow. Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #299

It's not an either/or, people. Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2013 #78

You can do a few things nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #84

Understood creon Jun 2013 #88

Wikileaks redux. How anyone can fall for this kabuki AGAIN is hard to fathom. ucrdem Jun 2013 #89

Wait! What? whttevrr Jun 2013 #95

Yes, that's exactly what I've been saying since the Verizon subpoena appeared. ucrdem Jun 2013 #98

Oh Shit! You're Serious? whttevrr Jun 2013 #105

Of course I'm serious. I've also been around the block and this is nothing new. ucrdem Jun 2013 #109

oh well that clears it all up frylock Jun 2013 #138

I'd post a link but you probably wouldn't read it. ucrdem Jun 2013 #150

There's no mention of Wikileaks or Assange in your reference re: climategate. GeorgeGist Jun 2013 #339

reply #26: "Wikileaks released the 'hacked' CRU emails, a deed Assange proudly takes credit ucrdem Jun 2013 #340

You are COMPLETELY missing the point. Maedhros Jun 2013 #159

+1! nt sheshe2 Jun 2013 #117

Thank you! ucrdem Jun 2013 #120

Welcome! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #121

LOL Iliyah Jun 2013 #184

The makers of tinfoil thank you. /nt Marr Jun 2013 #231

And Obama reading your e-mail isn't tinfoil? ucrdem Jun 2013 #341

No, that one's a strawman. Yours was tinfoil. Marr Jun 2013 #357

how do you feel about the 4th amendment fanbase? frylock Jun 2013 #90

We must be libertarians nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #91

Skinner showed a couple of libertarians the exit last night. ucrdem Jun 2013 #104

Alas that is what you claim nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #116

The "Libertarian" party was cooked up in a GOP think tank and established in 1971. ucrdem Jun 2013 #118

Wrong. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #124

Yes I'm sure it has noble roots in the Knights Templar etc etc ucrdem Jun 2013 #127

History is not fiction nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #131

You're seriously trying to sell Libertarianism on DU? ucrdem Jun 2013 #134

Try reading comp next time. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #145

We don't agree on too many things, Nadin. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #350

We don't nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #364

Avarice and fakery go way back, true. Speaking of reading: ucrdem Jun 2013 #355

So you are still misdirecting nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #356

Every bad idea has a history including vulture capitalism. ucrdem Jun 2013 #358

Historical context and history nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #359

I didn't call Wyden and Udall anything. Your claims are absurd and offensive. nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #361

Keep digging nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #362

Keep talking. I won't be listening. ucrdem Jun 2013 #366

Good...you could not learn anything. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #368

Someone got pissy enough to alert on this post. Unfortunately for them jury disagreed. idwiyo Jun 2013 #367

Irony. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #205

Yup nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #247

your problem is that you focus on party and personality.. frylock Jun 2013 #144

Bingo. nt Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #369

i'll admit to being a civil libertarian, but i'm progressive to the bone frylock Jun 2013 #139

Yup, I know, part of a long strain in us history nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #148

Now seriously, when did the 4th amendment become your be all and end all? ucrdem Jun 2013 #93

huh... whttevrr Jun 2013 #99

I'm a partisan, yes. And guess what? ucrdem Jun 2013 #100

you add nothing to the conversation.. frylock Jun 2013 #146

I notice that you didn't answer my question. nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #155

There was a question in that? nt Hissyspit Jun 2013 #208

It's IN THE FUCKING BILL OF RIGHTS. By definition, it's very damn close DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #343

Those are my peeps! tblue Jun 2013 #258

The US has made itself look bad decades ago. Apophis Jun 2013 #96

He betrayed state secrets to the NSA's most feared enemy of the state... backscatter712 Jun 2013 #101

I hate pork rinds! Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #102

so do i madrchsod Jun 2013 #262

Let's be honest. The split here is between Marr Jun 2013 #103

Yes, because Obama put in place this surveillance program all by himself... Galraedia Jun 2013 #111

Is that supposed to be a defense? Marr Jun 2013 #122

No, that is not my point. Galraedia Jun 2013 #135

he signed off on USAPATRIOT.. frylock Jun 2013 #151

And waste taxpayer money on something that was reauthorized by a majority in Congress? Galraedia Jun 2013 #173

so now political expediency is tied cost-risk analysis? frylock Jun 2013 #182

Again with this patheitc argument? DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #183

"waste taxpayer money" RetroLounge Jun 2013 #292

The Director of National Intelligence runs the NSA Maedhros Jun 2013 #167

Yeah, right. Then two months after he discontinued it.... oops... Amonester Jun 2013 #328

If our President makes his decisions based on the fear that Republicans will complain Maedhros Jun 2013 #330

That was another 'era' and the repukes weren't as 'dangerous' as they now R... Amonester Jun 2013 #332

If Obama is the liberal leader you all say he is Maedhros Jun 2013 #333

Let me ask if you've read 'The List' of liberal issues he already accomplished? Amonester Jun 2013 #334

Just in case, here's a link to a link to 'the list' Amonester Jun 2013 #335

I've seen it, and I acknowledge the positive things Obama has accomplished. Maedhros Jun 2013 #370

I'm not talking about his 'personal' cost at all, since quite frankly... Amonester Jun 2013 #380

He also is using his discretion here TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #296

He has the ability to put a stop to it Marrah_G Jun 2013 #123

I haven't seen any Snowden defenders saying that. And I'm sure you totodeinhere Jun 2013 #172

Using logical fallacies wont win you any arguments. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #384

Thanks... whttevrr Jun 2013 #114

^^^^^^^^^ mike_c Jun 2013 #158

I don't care that Snowden made Obama look bad justiceischeap Jun 2013 #218

"may or may not," "may well have," "may be," "who's to say," "if so" Demit Jun 2013 #252

Is that why Valerie Plame is saying that U.S. citizens owe Snowden a thank-you? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #266

I agree that he was right to tell the public about the NSA spying on us justiceischeap Jun 2013 #345

Please, never complain about anyone mischaracterizing your case, or being prejudiced against you patrice Jun 2013 #324

oh well Marrah_G Jun 2013 #107

I am with you! Vietnameravet Jun 2013 #110

what should the government do to punish DUers after a terror attack? carolinayellowdog Jun 2013 #213

Yea, throw all of us in Gitmo! quinnox Jun 2013 #221

I'll alert the media! Puglover Jun 2013 #112

Alerted. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #185

Are you taking requests? Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #269

You must first alert on your self to understand the deeper purpose of Dem zombie voters. L0oniX Jun 2013 #282

+1 here Galraedia! Lady Freedom Returns Jun 2013 #113

Log Out is located in the top right corner of the screen... Earth_First Jun 2013 #130

Snowden is a dead man. sulphurdunn Jun 2013 #136

Wave the flag? avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #141

Sure, millions of them, in the streets sulphurdunn Jun 2013 #162

With a thread title like this, one expects a lot of hyperbole. longship Jun 2013 #140

You left out the bit about the government spying on the American people, which he exposed. limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #143

It was exposed back in 2006. Galraedia Jun 2013 #187

Too bad the government kept it a secret from the American people until Snowden exposed it. limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #197

That's an exaggeration. Galraedia Jun 2013 #219

Q: If it was so innocent why was the government keeping it a secret from the American people? limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #227

Sick and tired of character assassination. n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #156

OK, your concern is noted.... mike_c Jun 2013 #157

I can understand your concern, but the fact is that other countries, at JDPriestly Jun 2013 #163

How is it that Snowden could become so indoctrinated in Socialism without attending an American populistdriven Jun 2013 #175

We Will Have To Agree To Disagree cantbeserious Jun 2013 #177

So now the entire world will have access to our personal info? ecstatic Jun 2013 #179

I am sick and tired of the NSA fan base usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #186

IMHO, YOU ARE SPOT ON! corneliamcgillicutty Jun 2013 #192

Galraedia, maybe this will ease your mind. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #194

1984 nineteen50 Jun 2013 #195

You have convinced me . . . another_liberal Jun 2013 #198

How many times during Bush did we have to turn to the foreign media? Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #199

What? Hissyspit Jun 2013 #200

"Sick and tired of the Snowden fanbase" Yes! SoapBox Jun 2013 #201

sick and tired of people making this about DU of all things carolinayellowdog Jun 2013 #203

Cry Me A river! BillyRibs Jun 2013 #204

what a well thought out line of B.s. Chaco Dundee Jun 2013 #207

I don't see Snowden criticizing China for spying on us or on their own people... Galraedia Jun 2013 #223

true Chaco Dundee Jun 2013 #259

Sick and tired of authoritarian fellaciators. Arctic Dave Jun 2013 #209

There be one problem with that theory Savannahmann Jun 2013 #215

Oh stomp your feet too! Grow up....OR don't complain down the road snappyturtle Jun 2013 #216

Kick politicasista Jun 2013 #225

The sickest thing is he pretends he's doing it for everyone else. MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #232

Same here shenmue Jun 2013 #234

So when you are puking over it... 99Forever Jun 2013 #238

lol. Don't hold back now. quinnox Jun 2013 #240

I like the leaks, but I also like your ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #239

Things are starting to turn. Greenwald is on the defensive and Snowden is now cowering in Russia Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #243

Good for you....you win! snappyturtle Jun 2013 #250

I actually wouldn't mind if many of these surveillance programs are eliminated altogether Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #253

Until we know what he devulged I think it is wrong to indict him. snappyturtle Jun 2013 #273

I agree with you. The great irony is that the far left is being played by a poser and coward. bluestate10 Jun 2013 #278

Sad to say that I think you're correct. nt patrice Jun 2013 #317

What a dramatic narrative! sibelian Jun 2013 #344

Greenwald is on the defensive? Hissyspit Jun 2013 #310

+1 flamingdem Jun 2013 #374

I'm sick & tired of repeating the same question on this issue: How many dead people is being wrong patrice Jun 2013 #256

your last sentence sums him up. madrchsod Jun 2013 #261

Snowden is a traitor hiding under a cause that average americans can relate to. bluestate10 Jun 2013 #276

+1 n/t Lady Freedom Returns Jun 2013 #289

I just crapped in my pants ..after reading all this shit. L0oniX Jun 2013 #280

Quite apart from what Snowden has or doesn't have, what he is or isn't... GliderGuider Jun 2013 #285

I wish he was our President Ter Jun 2013 #293

I checked with my local Snowden fan club DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #301

You mean that piece of paper that institutionalized corporate personhood, a.k.a. the oligarchy . . . patrice Jun 2013 #318

Yes, that piece of paper. I support the Constitution DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #337

Not as sick as I am of people who defend illegal government operations against the American people. Octafish Jun 2013 #307

Snowden's choice to bring the international community Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #314

So it's perfectly okay for China to hack our computers and steal around 12 secret military Galraedia Jun 2013 #320

What business does the U.S. have Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #353

What business does Snowden have deciding U.S. foreign policy? Galraedia Jun 2013 #360

Snowden didn't decide U.S. foreign policy Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #365

You mean that they're unsophisticated and naive? flamingdem Jun 2013 #331

He's a traitor Pirate Smile Jun 2013 #315

Actually I think he is a hero Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #319

You choose the Republican Clapper? Not surprised. Fascism is so easy. I stand with the 99%. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #322

That pretty much has to be part of the rational. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #375

The lines have been drawn. You stand with the 1%. May your god forgive you. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #321

How so? I don't support the Patriot Act or Snowden. Galraedia Jun 2013 #323

300+ Replies & not one, "n dead people are an acceptable consequence of my position" & What calls patrice Jun 2013 #326

Your premise doesn't pass Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #327

I am not a fan of the man either but I respect those who think him a hero. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #329

I heart Snowden! David__77 Jun 2013 #336

I'm sick of naive or malicious police state apologists make my country the joke of the world with Zorra Jun 2013 #351

I have many friends and family outside the U.S. that ask me Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #354

I get that constantly. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #371

K & R Scurrilous Jun 2013 #363

911? Need Waahhmbulance stat in GD. wtmusic Jun 2013 #372

Yeah, I'm cool with that. JoeyT Jun 2013 #376

Sorry but what does domestic spying have to do with U.S. foreign surveillance on non allied nations? Galraedia Jun 2013 #378

That's what was the most embarrassing. JoeyT Jun 2013 #379