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57. Same here. And as we study the situation, we find out that a lot of the

Tue Jun 25, 2013, 07:58 PM

Jun 2013

Military budget, which is anywhere from over 600 Billion to 1+ Trillions of dollars each year, now is dedicating a lot of its monetary resources to pay for surveillance. Everyone will either be a spy, like in STASI (East German police spy network, which some say had 25% of the East German population spying on the rest of their neighbors,) or else be spied upon!

The old Mad Magazine "Spy Vs Spy" cartoon comes to mind.

Think of how much good that money could do to help our infra structure, our schools etc.

I am much more afraid of some highway giving way underneath me, than I am of "terrorism." (And it is of no comfort to me that many in the Bush Admins were directly told what was going to happen, and they let it happen, anyway, back on Nine Eleven.)

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The obsession with Snowden is a distraction from the eye-opening revelations his byeya Jun 2013 #15

I don't think this story will go away no matter what twisted spin or distraction some may invent Catherina Jun 2013 #17

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Ironic that he's being accused of spying for exposing the government was spying on everybody. nt limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #19

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I burst out laughing when I saw this intaglio Jun 2013 #43

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Nice misinterpretation intaglio Jun 2013 #99

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That would make a good sig line... RC Jun 2013 #79

Very well said! NT hueymahl Jun 2013 #84

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Then tell Verizon and all the other phone companies to stop intaglio Jun 2013 #40

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It is different when the government does it, and you know it. Th1onein Jun 2013 #60

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I prefer to give CONSENT and HAVE KNOWLEDGE of the people and the info I give out. Th1onein Jun 2013 #66

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When I agree to the terms of their service? You betcha I do. Th1onein Jun 2013 #105

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The MIC for the 1% Catherina Jun 2013 #42

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