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In reply to the discussion: Holy. Fucking. Shit. The candle flickers... (NSA) [View all]Catherina
(35,568 posts)34. I thought it was obvious lol. By any means possible is how they operate. The Chinese are with you.
Allegedly, possibly, Snowden told them that but the reference to Snowden saying that came from one paper and it's been disputed. Personally, I don't believe he did because of other reports I read because this pissing match has been going on for a while. I think Chinese tech companies figured now is as good a time as any to oust Cisco. I certainly would if I were in their shoes, especially knowing how easy it is to hack into surveillance cameras with Cisco technology. Cisco's excuse is that this "bug" isn't really a bug, it's a feature.
So much irony here.
Cisco and China have had a stand-off since Congress blasted Huawei, ZTE and other Chinese telecommunications companies as national-security threats to the U.S.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/20/1217520/-NSA-Shenanigans-is-the-CISCO-Kid-ding
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/20/1217520/-NSA-Shenanigans-is-the-CISCO-Kid-ding
June 18, 2013, 9:43 p.m. EDT
Snowden says NSA used Cisco to spy: China media
By Michael Kitchen
CSCO
LOS ANGELES (MarketWatch) -- A Chinese media report quoted former National Security Agency contract Edward Snowden as saying the U.S. government used Cisco Systems Inc. routers to spy on Chinese networks. The report on the Chinese-language site Techweb.com, dated Tuesday, also said that Cisco had been involved in many major Chinese Internet infrastructure projects, including those of military and government networks. However, an English-language report on TechinAsia.com, which cited the Techweb report and other Chinese media accounts, questioned whether Snowden in fact named Cisco, as some of the reports incorrectly named Cisco as part of the NSA's "Prism" operation.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/snowden-says-nsa-used-cisco-to-spy-china-media-2013-06-18
Snowden says NSA used Cisco to spy: China media
By Michael Kitchen
CSCO
LOS ANGELES (MarketWatch) -- A Chinese media report quoted former National Security Agency contract Edward Snowden as saying the U.S. government used Cisco Systems Inc. routers to spy on Chinese networks. The report on the Chinese-language site Techweb.com, dated Tuesday, also said that Cisco had been involved in many major Chinese Internet infrastructure projects, including those of military and government networks. However, an English-language report on TechinAsia.com, which cited the Techweb report and other Chinese media accounts, questioned whether Snowden in fact named Cisco, as some of the reports incorrectly named Cisco as part of the NSA's "Prism" operation.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/snowden-says-nsa-used-cisco-to-spy-china-media-2013-06-18
Cisco Faces Challenges As Chinese Media Urge Switching To Domestic Products For National Security Reasons In Wake Of NSA Surveillance Leaks
By Sreeja VN | June 25 2013 6:33 AM
Edward Snowden, who leaked the National Security Agency's secret surveillance program and claimed the U.S. used equipment made by Cisco Systems Inc. (NASDAQ:CSCO) to spy on China, could have dealt a blow to the U.S. company's $2 billion in annual sales there -- after Chinese media said Cisco poses a security threat and urged a shift to domestic suppliers.
Earlier this month, Snowden claimed the NSA had monitored mobile and computer networks in China using Cisco routers, prompting Chinese media to denounce the company's products and describe products made by certain U.S. companies as a terrible security threat."
Chinese daily Sina claimed eight major U.S. companies -- Cisco, International Business Machines Corp. (NYSE:IBM), Google Inc. (NASDAQ: GOOG), Qualcomm Inc. (NASDAQ: QCOM), Intel Corp. (NASDAQ: INTC), Apple Inc. (NASDAQ:APPL), Oracle Corp. (NASDAQ:ORCL) and Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) -- are U.S. government's proxies in the surveillance program. Sina's report also claimed that China's national security is vulnerable to attacks from the U.S.
In an editorial this week, Global Times, a major Chinese newspaper, said that the country should develop its own Internet technology. Chinese media reports said efforts to reduce reliance on U.S. companies will help China ward off security threats and benefit domestic companies at the same time.
...
http://www.ibtimes.com/cisco-faces-challenges-chinese-media-urge-switching-domestic-products-national-security-reasons-wake
By Sreeja VN | June 25 2013 6:33 AM
Edward Snowden, who leaked the National Security Agency's secret surveillance program and claimed the U.S. used equipment made by Cisco Systems Inc. (NASDAQ:CSCO) to spy on China, could have dealt a blow to the U.S. company's $2 billion in annual sales there -- after Chinese media said Cisco poses a security threat and urged a shift to domestic suppliers.
Earlier this month, Snowden claimed the NSA had monitored mobile and computer networks in China using Cisco routers, prompting Chinese media to denounce the company's products and describe products made by certain U.S. companies as a terrible security threat."
Chinese daily Sina claimed eight major U.S. companies -- Cisco, International Business Machines Corp. (NYSE:IBM), Google Inc. (NASDAQ: GOOG), Qualcomm Inc. (NASDAQ: QCOM), Intel Corp. (NASDAQ: INTC), Apple Inc. (NASDAQ:APPL), Oracle Corp. (NASDAQ:ORCL) and Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) -- are U.S. government's proxies in the surveillance program. Sina's report also claimed that China's national security is vulnerable to attacks from the U.S.
In an editorial this week, Global Times, a major Chinese newspaper, said that the country should develop its own Internet technology. Chinese media reports said efforts to reduce reliance on U.S. companies will help China ward off security threats and benefit domestic companies at the same time.
...
http://www.ibtimes.com/cisco-faces-challenges-chinese-media-urge-switching-domestic-products-national-security-reasons-wake
Cisco China Sales Vulnerable as Media Urge Domestic Shift
By Bloomberg News - 2013-06-25T03:13:07Z
Cisco Systems Inc. (CSCO) faces a backlash in China, where it generates about $2 billion in annual sales, after state-run media said the company poses a security threat and urged a shift toward domestic suppliers.
While Cisco has said it didnt participate in U.S. surveillance programs revealed earlier this month by former government contractor Edward Snowden, state-owned Chinese media outlets are calling for the company to face restrictions there.
China should develop its own Internet technology, the Global Times newspaper wrote in an editorial this week, alleging that the U.S. can attack China almost at will. U.S. companies, including Cisco, represent a terrible security threat, China Daily reported, citing an industry source it didnt identify. Shenzhen-based Huawei Technologies Co. is poised to benefit from any clients seeking Cisco alternatives.
No Monitoring
Cisco does not monitor communications of private citizens or government organizations in China or anywhere in the world, Earnhardt said in an e-mailed statement. We sell the same equipment globally, including both China and the United States, with no customization for purposes of such programs.
...
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-06-25/cisco-china-sales-vulnerable-as-media-urge-domestic-shift.html
By Bloomberg News - 2013-06-25T03:13:07Z
Cisco Systems Inc. (CSCO) faces a backlash in China, where it generates about $2 billion in annual sales, after state-run media said the company poses a security threat and urged a shift toward domestic suppliers.
While Cisco has said it didnt participate in U.S. surveillance programs revealed earlier this month by former government contractor Edward Snowden, state-owned Chinese media outlets are calling for the company to face restrictions there.
China should develop its own Internet technology, the Global Times newspaper wrote in an editorial this week, alleging that the U.S. can attack China almost at will. U.S. companies, including Cisco, represent a terrible security threat, China Daily reported, citing an industry source it didnt identify. Shenzhen-based Huawei Technologies Co. is poised to benefit from any clients seeking Cisco alternatives.
No Monitoring
Cisco does not monitor communications of private citizens or government organizations in China or anywhere in the world, Earnhardt said in an e-mailed statement. We sell the same equipment globally, including both China and the United States, with no customization for purposes of such programs.
...
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-06-25/cisco-china-sales-vulnerable-as-media-urge-domestic-shift.html
Note the weasel phrasing "Cisco does not monitor communications".
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Well, thank God the security apparatus isn't tied with private sector businesses.
napoleon_in_rags
Jun 2013
#130
Very Glad To See The Neurons Firing - The Trouble Is That None Really Know How Pervasive This Is
cantbeserious
Jun 2013
#2
You caught that too. So much for PGP. Encryption just buys a ticket to attention by an NSA bot, .
leveymg
Jun 2013
#5
It's picking up on the notion that any criticism of the administration is born in racism
hootinholler
Jun 2013
#110
"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people."
LondonReign2
Jun 2013
#87
It can take millions of years of compute time to crack really strong encryption.
backscatter712
Jun 2013
#115
Have you seen the specialized hardware that has developed in the public space for bitcoin mining?
AtheistCrusader
Jun 2013
#116
Unless there are some ungodly breakthroughs in math, near approaching P = NP, you're flat out wrong
ConservativeDemocrat
Jun 2013
#123
Actually, I don't worry about being "snooped on". My point was math.
ConservativeDemocrat
Jun 2013
#128
By the time it hits your router, it's already encrypted with Cisco's encryption
hootinholler
Jun 2013
#55
It's called CALEA-compliant switches. Google it. Not a national defense secret - mandatory since '95
leveymg
Jun 2013
#42
Not at all. I've set up enough IP addresses & threaded ethernet cable through ceilings to know
leveymg
Jun 2013
#73
I thought it was obvious lol. By any means possible is how they operate. The Chinese are with you.
Catherina
Jun 2013
#34
Did you see that article where China mentioned our "sanctimonious mask"? Read this lol. The irony!
Catherina
Jun 2013
#66
I wonder how many accounts have been banned on DU over the years for spouting this 'alleged'
Purveyor
Jun 2013
#36
Wall Street and MIComplex meets NAZIs, Mafia, Eugenicists, Big Oil, Banksters...
Octafish
Jun 2013
#49
After the end of the Cold War GHWB shifted the focus from military to economic spying.
alfredo
Jun 2013
#70
It already is. We've been keeping it kicked for six days with less than 300 views.
Fire Walk With Me
Jun 2013
#98
"{W}e forgot that the question is NOT, how do we get good people into power. . . .
snot
Jun 2013
#125
And if not now, in a few years, brute force decryption will become easy.
AtheistCrusader
Jun 2013
#112
I have wondered all along what sense this program meant in terms of 'finding a number' etc
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#131
But the NSA and the Federal Government held up the release of open key encription....
Mustellus
Jun 2013
#135