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In reply to the discussion: Sick and tired of the Snowden fanbase [View all]Harmony Blue
(3,978 posts)for being reasonable, but I will entertain you with my point of view:
Most of the underworld crime elements and terror cells use human couriers to communicate important messages, which is why what Cheney did by putting human intelligence in danger and exposing human intelligence was a big blow to our country. Bin Laden was found due to human intelligence work that took months to cultivate. Cell phones are used by terror cells to detonate explosives, improvised devices, or even to hijack U.S. drones. Internet sites are used by criminal/terror elements to recruit, but beyond that it comes down to human intelligence to determine anything more. What Snowden exposed is that the U.S. is using a vast net by saying you are guilty until proven innocent in a roundabout way. Human intelligence was ignored when it came to 9/11, Bostom Marathon bombings, etc, etc, etc. So this vast net is not only intrusive, but it has little value in countering terrorism and organized crime, and the ACLU has shown mostly it is used on the war on drugs.
Now as for your remark about the left. Obama is considered center left in the United States, but in all other democracies in the world (South America, Africa, Europe, and Asia) he would be considered a center right, or even a right politician. Basically, our country has been pulled to the right by the fundamental Christians and predatory capitalists. Not even the right wing elements in other countries feature a right that is so anti science and pro christian. Closest is in Germany (CDU). but Merkel has a pro science background.