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hfojvt

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42. one trouble with that

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 02:01 AM

Jun 2013

Martin died less than half a mile from his home. Five minutes of running by me from Zimmerman's car would probably put me a quarter mile PAST Trayvon's house. And I am a 51 year old guy with bad knees and 15 pounds of extra weight. My 17 year old self would run circles around the current me.

Not to mention that Zimmerman was still on the phone with dispatch for a minute AFTER he said "shit, he's running" and "I don't know where he is".

It's always possible that a young male might choose NOT to run IF he thought he could kick the other guy's a$$.

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So the Zimmerman trial boils down to this [View all] snooper2 Jun 2013 OP

it was Trayvon who was fighting for his life Skittles Jun 2013 #1

Depends on what the jury believes.... Pelican Jun 2013 #2

Trayvon was fighting for his life against a gun-toting vigilante who STALKED him Skittles Jun 2013 #9

Because for some reason stand your ground doesn't apply to him. uppityperson Jun 2013 #18

it boggles my mind Skittles Jun 2013 #22

perhaps because, in theory, he wasn't being attacked. hfojvt Jun 2013 #39

And the person following shouldn't be a fucking jerk to Fawke Em Jun 2013 #49

I carried an opened pocketknife when being followed in the city and if he'd come closer I'd not had uppityperson Jun 2013 #57

Furthermore, Fearing for your life after starting shit is not ok, like zimmy did uppityperson Jun 2013 #58

THANK YOU Skittles Jun 2013 #68

"somebody who is only following you"---WITH A GUN, AT NIGHT, UNIDENTIFIED. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #103

You're almost there... Pelican Jun 2013 #23

we don't know why because Martin is DEAD Skittles Jun 2013 #26

Just expand on that... Pelican Jun 2013 #28

Zimmerman chased him from 7:11 (when Trayvon started running) until MillennialDem Jun 2013 #33

If the evidence bears out... Pelican Jun 2013 #40

It's in the timeline. Not sure if it has been brought in court, you are right on that count. MillennialDem Jun 2013 #41

And Martin is heard asking Zimmerman why he is being followed just before chelsea0011 Jun 2013 #80

one trouble with that hfojvt Jun 2013 #42

Possible, or possible he didn't know where he was going / got lost. It was raining and dark. MillennialDem Jun 2013 #43

the timeline bears WHAT out? hfojvt Jun 2013 #48

That Trayvon Martin ran away from Zimmerman and it took approx ~5 min for them to make contact again MillennialDem Jun 2013 #56

Ever had an armed bigot stalking you with hatred and a gun? Hoyt Jun 2013 #32

Whether is meets a legal standard is a stupid question? Pelican Jun 2013 #45

I'll give you a guess.... CC Jun 2013 #51

Interesting... Pelican Jun 2013 #54

A guess is a guess you know. CC Jun 2013 #105

There is no DNA on Martin from Zimmerman, the fight BS is just Rex Jun 2013 #93

It's obvious they got into a fight snooper2 Jun 2013 #3

except that, according to the autopsy report, martin had NONE of zimmy's dna on him, except niyad Jun 2013 #4

4 or 5 punches would have done the damage shown on Zimmy snooper2 Jun 2013 #5

well, the autopsy says no dna on martin--the nose incident could have happened any time, and the niyad Jun 2013 #13

i wonder if he bashed himself in the nose with his flashlight Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #61

Trayvon was fighting for his life against a gun-toting vigilante Skittles Jun 2013 #7

It was Martin who, justifiably, "stood his ground" arcane1 Jun 2013 #6

there's plenty of gun-humping DUer's defending that coward Zimmerman Skittles Jun 2013 #8

This is the most succinct description of events I've read. Prism Jun 2013 #14

Thanks. That's even more of a compliment since it came before I fixed the quotes :) arcane1 Jun 2013 #24

It's ok. I'm fluent in errant message board format =) Prism Jun 2013 #31

I am sorta puzzled hfojvt Jun 2013 #50

Yup. If you think Zimmerman was getting his ass kicked that sets up self defense. dkf Jun 2013 #55

The short answer: he started it. He was seeking an altercation and it didn't go as he planned. arcane1 Jun 2013 #86

Nicely stated, I agree Progressive dog Jun 2013 #81

What does not make sense is that Zimmerman called the avebury Jun 2013 #10

I haven't been following this..just speculating.. pipoman Jun 2013 #12

I live in Oklahoma City which is a highly populated urban area. avebury Jun 2013 #19

I bet he was surprised when some unarmed kid stood up to the bigot with a gun. Hoyt Jun 2013 #34

Watch the neighborhood watch coordinator's testimony... Pelican Jun 2013 #25

It just boggles my mind that this situation would have been a call avebury Jun 2013 #27

Whatever national policy may be for neighborhood watch... Pelican Jun 2013 #29

Zimmerman is not on trial for calling the police. (nt) Nine Jun 2013 #69

Correct... have a cookie... Pelican Jun 2013 #70

You're the one who brought it up. Nine Jun 2013 #71

Actually Post #27 brought it up... Pelican Jun 2013 #72

The defense hasn't called any witnesses yet B2G Jun 2013 #76

Correct... Pelican Jun 2013 #77

I haven't been following pipoman Jun 2013 #11

PLEASE explain to me Skittles Jun 2013 #15

What is this stalking you're on about? Llewlladdwr Jun 2013 #30

BS - when it's a bigot with a gun, pick up a brick if that what it takes Hoyt Jun 2013 #35

So sucker punching bigots is legal? for everyone? Recursion Jun 2013 #62

It's pretty accurate. Hoyt Jun 2013 #64

Next time you see a bigot, you should punch him and try that rationale in court... Pelican Jun 2013 #73

Highly likely I would not make it to court. Most gun toters/lovers/cultists are bigots. Hoyt Jun 2013 #85

Why are people making up stuff about a fight? Rex Jun 2013 #95

Witnesses say there was a fight. We don't know who started it. Recursion Jun 2013 #98

Trayvon RAN for 5 minutes after Zimmerman was "stalking" him in his truck. If someone is MillennialDem Jun 2013 #38

I'm pretty sure that is the part you defenders do NOT understand Skittles Jun 2013 #67

Well, technically a middle aged gal had not been recently arrested for burglary in the neighborhood. Pelican Jun 2013 #75

LOL Skittles Jun 2013 #87

that's news to me backwoodsbob Jun 2013 #37

You are not allowed to punch someone pipoman Jun 2013 #74

he was being STALKED Skittles Jun 2013 #88

Maybe.. pipoman Jun 2013 #90

he REPEATEDLY targeted what he perceived to be "young punks" Skittles Jun 2013 #91

according to the autopsy report, NO zimmy dna found on martin. wounds not consistent with niyad Jun 2013 #16

I saw some initial reports from witnesses that had Martin on top of Zimmerman... Pelican Jun 2013 #63

So what if Trayvon threw the first punch? XemaSab Jun 2013 #17

Had Trayvon been carring a gun he would have been avebury Jun 2013 #20

Agree completely, but police probably would have shot him, Hoyt Jun 2013 #36

Exactly sad-cafe Jun 2013 #21

He does appear to be doped to the gills Mariana Jun 2013 #46

Or he could be stressed out about the murder trial uppityperson Jun 2013 #59

Oh, certainly, that could be. Mariana Jun 2013 #82

There is absolutely no evidence that shows a physical altercation. Rex Jun 2013 #44

Zimmermans wounds and reports of seeing Martin on top... Pelican Jun 2013 #52

Really someone saw the altercation? The BS just keeps getting deeper. Rex Jun 2013 #92

Read carefully.... Pelican Jun 2013 #99

Fox, Stormfront, freepers forum, NRA, KKK, the yahoo next door, etc. Hoyt Jun 2013 #65

Some here too, how pathetic and desperate are they? Rex Jun 2013 #94

There is a trial going on, and the cool thing is.. snooper2 Jun 2013 #100

What I want to know at this point is moondust Jun 2013 #47

"These fucking punks always get away" Incitatus Jun 2013 #53

I have noticed Notafraidtoo Jun 2013 #60

+1000 Kingofalldems Jun 2013 #66

Body on grass mainstreetonce Jun 2013 #78

You can't use the P word because it it sexist and misogynistic. Unless you a d#@@. WCLinolVir Jun 2013 #79

But I notice the media never had a problem talking about "Pussy Riot" BlueStreak Jun 2013 #83

There were no marks on Trayvon's hands BlueToTheBone Jun 2013 #84

No evidence that Trayvon ever hit Zimmerman yardwork Jun 2013 #89

Yeah a few people in this thread keep ignoring that fact. Rex Jun 2013 #96

Zimmerman's entire defense rests on it yardwork Jun 2013 #101

Yeah, two days is enough. Who needs to hear a defense anyway? ksoze Jun 2013 #97

Two days is more than Trayvon Martin got. yardwork Jun 2013 #102

Observers can make up their minds whenever they want. THAT is why jurors are different. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #104