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Cleita

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12. Medicare For All.

Tue Feb 14, 2012, 02:33 PM

Feb 2012

It would be so simple to implement because most of the infrastructure is there already. It would need some adapting and improving as well as expansion to cover everyone, but yet it could be almost pain free to everyone except the health insurance industry. I say good riddance to them because they are the sole reason this hasn't happened already. Frankly, the Affordable Health Care Act or Romney Care aka as Obama care will burden the country with more debt in the long run because all those insurance companies will be feeding at the taxpayer's trough.

As a compromise, we should be able to offer Medicare as part of the insurance exchange for those who wish to buy it and cover those who can't buy it instead of forcing them choose for profit health plans.

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Medical Doctors for Single Payer Urge Supreme Court to Strike Down Individual Insurance Mandate [View all] Better Believe It Feb 2012 OP

The Federal government doesn't have the power to order us to buy products. Romulox Feb 2012 #1

I hear that. Doesn't matter, though, most people can't even afford it, and won't get it. Zalatix Feb 2012 #6

Read post#18. The Wielding Truth Feb 2012 #48

It matters very little. People simply don't have the money. The math always wins. Zalatix Feb 2012 #49

It can work. There are to be provisions for those who have trouble affording it and those who The Wielding Truth Feb 2012 #50

And it'll be those who work that and get it withheld that'll go under. Zalatix Feb 2012 #53

Wait. We're talking health ins. right? They would have to buy it anyhow and with out some change it The Wielding Truth Feb 2012 #60

Forcing people to buy health insurance is a quick way to bankrupt the people. Zalatix Feb 2012 #63

SS Ins. and Unemployment Insurance did not bankrupt "the people". Corruption did. The Wielding Truth Feb 2012 #73

We should be looking past ACA to Medicare for All. Zalatix Feb 2012 #75

Yes they do; It is precidented; first mandate to purchse was 1792 NAO Feb 2012 #18

Our government is one of "Enumerated Powers". So an "Enumerated Basis" for exercise of Romulox Feb 2012 #22

Weak precedent, that mandate did not dictate the good rifle, shot, balls, and powder TheKentuckian Feb 2012 #23

" The Federal government doesn't have the power to order us to buy products." !!! bvar22 Feb 2012 #33

Every dime of their profit is from denied care. Romulox Feb 2012 #34

^ Amen, BVar ^ Mimosa Feb 2012 #51

very well said. nt limpyhobbler Feb 2012 #66

Hear! Hear! K&R Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #2

excellent! mike_c Feb 2012 #3

K&R think Feb 2012 #4

Yeah, that'll help loyalsister Feb 2012 #5

Like with the Republican's "blank sheet of paper" Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2012 #20

This ball started rolling a very long time ago loyalsister Feb 2012 #31

Uh, no. We are now the FARTHEST away from universal health care we have ever been. Edweird Feb 2012 #64

??? loyalsister Feb 2012 #71

This is counter productive taught_me_patience Feb 2012 #7

I agree completely. Leaving it up to the Supreme Court will be a Cluster-F*$K. Hoyt Feb 2012 #25

Fine - the mandate was an idea dreamed up by Republicans in the first place derby378 Feb 2012 #68

Disagree. Chan790 Feb 2012 #36

K&R EFerrari Feb 2012 #8

+1 area51 Feb 2012 #9

Are these doctors really that naive? subterranean Feb 2012 #10

It's going to happen sooner or later Aerows Feb 2012 #11

Probably later. subterranean Feb 2012 #14

Isn't that essentially how Canada's SP system started out? Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2012 #30

Of course the cost of insurance will be irrelevant after 2014 bornskeptic Feb 2012 #52

Medicare For All. Cleita Feb 2012 #12

I agree, but we'll need a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. subterranean Feb 2012 #15

Good luck. We almost got single payer in California. Cleita Feb 2012 #17

We had those things when the ACA was before congress. n/t Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #24

The Health Care Industry and Big Pharma Protection Act is not a progressive step forward. Better Believe It Feb 2012 #13

Yet insurance companies are not rejoicing over it either Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2012 #21

+1. Insurers know the Exchanges and Medical Loss Ratio will tie their hands and make them Hoyt Feb 2012 #26

My feelings exactly Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2012 #27

If there is any justice in this country the Supreme Court will strike down the insurance mandate Better Believe It Feb 2012 #32

"and that alternative is a single payer national health insurance system" kenny blankenship Feb 2012 #42

Please post the links proving insurance industry opposition to the legislation. Better Believe It Feb 2012 #28

They are only against the parts regulating them (however inadequately) n/t eridani Feb 2012 #39

Yes, how could they not LOVE a legal requirement that gives them over 300 million Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2012 #44

+1000 (n/t) derby378 Feb 2012 #69

I think this Court filing may be a bit of legal jujitsu. Viva_Daddy Feb 2012 #29

You are ignoring the power of the insurance industry Motown_Johnny Feb 2012 #79

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2012 #16

The Republics will counter with "The NHS took out the British economy!" DCKit Feb 2012 #19

Plus they aren't a small island country that still has a military more suitable Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2012 #45

The very best thing that can happen for the future of the Democratic Party... bvar22 Feb 2012 #35

You are exactly right. Better Believe It Feb 2012 #37

best response in this thread.... mike_c Feb 2012 #38

+10,000 n/t eridani Feb 2012 #40

Very well explained, but I fear that the die-hards in the party are blind to reality Dragonfli Feb 2012 #41

I suspect that's the reason that Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2012 #43

I am continually sirprised at the amount of Americans... bvar22 Feb 2012 #46

Fifty Doctors in Support of Single Payer File Amicus Brief Against Individual Mandate Better Believe It Feb 2012 #47

my thanks to these doctors. nt xchrom Feb 2012 #54

This lead post doesn't appear on the front page because the number of recommends is irrelevant Better Believe It Feb 2012 #55

This message was self-deleted by its author Dragonfli Feb 2012 #56

That worries me. bvar22 Feb 2012 #57

Maybe it's because you posted it. Quantess Feb 2012 #58

Why would that be a factor? Better Believe It Feb 2012 #59

Uh oh. I pulled something out of thin air again. Quantess Feb 2012 #61

Damn these doctors! Why didn't they make massive campaign contributions... joeybee12 Feb 2012 #62

Awesome! K&R Edweird Feb 2012 #65

Forcing people to buy crappy overpriced insurance. Who thought that one up? limpyhobbler Feb 2012 #67

Striking down the mandate would postpone single payer by a decade or two. gulliver Feb 2012 #70

Precisely. This is just bemoaning from people who aren't getting what they want now. joshcryer Feb 2012 #72

You're right. Just more whining from the 99% who don't appreciate corporations and Wall Street Better Believe It Feb 2012 #78

We are on the tack for Single Payer? bvar22 Feb 2012 #74

Really? That's your argument? girl gone mad Feb 2012 #76

Forcing millions to buy an insurance industry policy will postpone single payer by at least 20 years Better Believe It Feb 2012 #77