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Douglas Carpenter

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148. about two weeks ago - I was in my favorite local bar -a place where some of the movers and shakers

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 09:49 AM

Jun 2013

of the territory occasionally meet and chat and what have you. I saw a fairly well known lawyer who I chatted with before on a few occasions. I thought I would try to strike up a friendly conversation with him and try to get some idea of how he saw things. He happened be a Constitutional lawyer who worked for a federal judge. So, I thought I would just ask him if he agreed with the statement, "The Constitution is whatever the Supreme Court says it is?' He snapped at me saying, "That is not a question! You are lecturing me!." I tried to tell him no, I was not intending to at all. I just was curious what he thought of that particular cliche." "No you are lecturing - you are not asking a question at all!" Well, needless to say, I decided to go home where my dog Shane would be waiting for excitedly for me. What bothers me most, is that I was under the impression that this particular lawyer was a real nice guy. And out of the blue - he just plain slapped me in the face. All I can guess is that for some reason I do not understand he took what I thought was my friendly attempt at casual conversation the wrong way. What can you say? Life is like that some times.

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#Snowden: Amnesty International Knows What Time It Is. [View all] JackRiddler Jun 2013 OP

NSA PRISM Spying The NSA Has No Idea How Much Secret Data Edward Snowden Took ... bemildred Jun 2013 #1

Well, too fucking bad! tavalon Jun 2013 #156

FORMER US OFFICIAL: The NSA Thinks Edward Snowden Copied 'Almost Everything That Place Does' bemildred Jun 2013 #2

Is anyone, especially the deniers, concerned that the "spy" system was so poorly rhett o rick Jun 2013 #4

Some people feel safe when things are tightly controled. zeemike Jun 2013 #9

Alduous Huxley, author of the required-reading-list classic, Brave New World: bemildred Jun 2013 #13

Yep..and we should all read it again. zeemike Jun 2013 #21

man, i was going to post something along those lines.. frylock Jun 2013 #55

Ha....beat you to it... zeemike Jun 2013 #61

Here's their tight control ;-) ReRe Jun 2013 #114

Yes, another concern Snowden has raised siligut Jun 2013 #12

I think it's being sold. And that is the reason why they are panicking. Congress funds sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #110

Have you seen this? ReRe Jun 2013 #118

That is an amazing article, frightening, out of control, and I wonder if it's too late for us? sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #162

You're pointing out the most shocking, and the most overlooked aspect of this story. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #26

+1000 magellan Jun 2013 #49

This message was self-deleted by its author magellan Jun 2013 #50

I'll offer a third possibility nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #99

It's world control and money. ReRe Jun 2013 #112

Yep, power and profit are the motives. nt alsame Jun 2013 #145

Yes, I've been suprised at the lack of amazement that snowden's actions were possible at all sibelian Jun 2013 #130

Thank you. Those are... onyourleft Jun 2013 #37

If they didn't already have this information, wouldn't Russia and China JDPriestly Jun 2013 #52

They probably spy on us too. Do you think? nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #103

Precisely. I wonder what they are really looking for? JDPriestly Jun 2013 #104

This is propaganda gold. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #106

This article from Canada tries to put some pieces together -- "Giant Blackmail machine" KurtNYC Jun 2013 #149

i think 'they' and 'us' are pretty intertwined. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #119

Check out this article... ReRe Jun 2013 #116

Have you read this article by James Bamford: ReRe Jun 2013 #113

I have read The Puzzle Palace. bemildred Jun 2013 #140

Please read the Wired article by James ReRe Jun 2013 #141

Don't tell me what to read, and don't whine at me either. bemildred Jun 2013 #142

Wow. ReRe Jun 2013 #143

Good. nt bemildred Jun 2013 #144

Geez, I don't blame you, that was totally uncalled for and rude. kas125 Jul 2013 #164

I find this all so fascinatingly delusional railsback Jun 2013 #3

You may be willing to give up our Constitutional freedoms so you can "feel" safe. Maedhros Jun 2013 #5

LoL. You're NOT giving up your Constitutional 'freedoms' railsback Jun 2013 #7

You are right, we are not giving it up zeemike Jun 2013 #15

Well, no. What's being taken away are things like railsback Jun 2013 #86

And you have every tight to protect yourself from zeemike Jun 2013 #95

Well, no, you can accidentally get pregnant like the Virgin Mary railsback Jun 2013 #100

The right to an abortion is not in the bill of rights. zeemike Jun 2013 #102

The RIGHT to an abortion is the LAW railsback Jun 2013 #108

You are correct...no-one voluntarily gave them up...they were taken... truebrit71 Jun 2013 #17

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I assume you are a Liberal. Maedhros Jun 2013 #19

I wouldn't assume anyone who joined DU, post Bush, is a liberal. kenny blankenship Jun 2013 #44

Neofascist dystopia - lol Progressive dog Jun 2013 #58

Ha railsback Jun 2013 #101

A serious overreaction railsback Jun 2013 #64

WTF on you on about? Do I "voluntarily" give up my freedom when I make a phone call? mhatrw Jun 2013 #151

How can they be a liberal if they dont support civil liberties? nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #72

EXACTLY! they are only monitoring all our electronic communications and that is their prerogative Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #83

The 'public' is full of dimwits, dullards, baggers, libertarians.. railsback Jun 2013 #84

we all need to have all our communication monitored by the government or they wouldn't be doing it Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #87

Certainly full on Libertarianism railsback Jun 2013 #90

I don't think so. The government has just much a right to stop people from doing that as they have a Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #92

You and our leaders what the government spying on us. I don't. mhatrw Jun 2013 #152

Privacy is a Human Right. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #27

Like the KKK railsback Jun 2013 #54

how long have you been a member? frylock Jun 2013 #60

As long as you have railsback Jun 2013 #66

So you hate the ACLU. We get the picture. n/t mhatrw Jun 2013 #153

Are you an authoritarian? Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #71

Peoples is peoples, right? railsback Jun 2013 #75

In other words, you don't trust the people to do the right thing. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #78

If we trusted people to do the right thing railsback Jun 2013 #80

Oh, I see,...you're an extremist.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #81

How is that being extremist? railsback Jun 2013 #88

That's funny considering you were a control freak a moment ago. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #93

Well, you're assuming that through sarcasm, I support 4th Amendment rights to the KKK railsback Jun 2013 #96

That's different as the KKK is a terrorist organization.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #98

Why don't members of the KKK deserve human rights? mhatrw Jun 2013 #154

Yeah,...to listen to them whine, you'd think they were the victims. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #160

And it's the 4th Amendment to the Constitution too. ReRe Jun 2013 #146

Republicans only care about #2. But then, they ARE full of shit. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #161

of course you do RetroLounge Jun 2013 #35

Of course you don't railsback Jun 2013 #53

what do you call it when people have unreasonable assumptions that they will be kept safe.. frylock Jun 2013 #56

What do you call people who unreasonably assume that Big Corp is keeping their info safe? railsback Jun 2013 #68

i volunteer to give my information to Big Corp.. frylock Jun 2013 #69

Yep, with your credit or debit card, address, where you like to ship railsback Jun 2013 #70

I don't recollect granting you the fucking authority... 99Forever Jun 2013 #77

Oh, sorry, didn't know I was speaking to ad hominem master Glenn Greenwald himself! railsback Jun 2013 #79

People who believe the government is spying on them are called... 99Forever Jun 2013 #89

Like Death Panels. In reality, it is like a Death Panel railsback Jun 2013 #91

??????? 99Forever Jun 2013 #94

Ah, so NOT being lame is being paranoid railsback Jun 2013 #97

The Snowden-bashers don't have the "courage" to bash Amnesty Int'l... reformist2 Jun 2013 #6

They're delusional railsback Jun 2013 #8

Ask Bradley Manning how well his human rights are holding up! Civilization2 Jun 2013 #43

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #16

Really, you come here and then bash Amnesty? RetroLounge Jun 2013 #38

good for them yurbud Jun 2013 #10

human rights violations? I thought that term was reserved for genocide, starvation, torture... NightWatcher Jun 2013 #11

The Fourth Amendment protects human rights. JackRiddler Jun 2013 #18

Exaclty. They should wait until that starts happening. Dr Fate Jun 2013 #22

This comes off as a pathetically eager swipe at the U.S. BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #30

+1 one_voice Jun 2013 #46

I agree. When someone else posted this same thing yesterday, I actually checked the Amnesty web sit Number23 Jun 2013 #85

I see it completely opposite of you. I see where they Mojorabbit Jun 2013 #107

DUzy. ucrdem Jun 2013 #124

"as-needed, court-approved" = big joke. secret court, no warrant necessary. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #122

Write back when you can document a real-world human rights violation BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #139

spying on the population en masse *is* a human rights violation. and using the internet isn't HiPointDem Jun 2013 #163

It is. nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #126

Not at all. Union Scribe Jun 2013 #73

the only human rights are not to be starved, tortured or killed? is that the new platform of HiPointDem Jun 2013 #121

It's very silly and damages AI's credibility. nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #125

Yeah. And racism should be reserved for slavery. mhatrw Jun 2013 #155

This was posted ProSense Jun 2013 #14

Oh really? RC Jun 2013 #24

The NSA was created as a spying agency. ProSense Jun 2013 #29

Ever hear of "Mission Creep"? RC Jun 2013 #33

Sure, ProSense Jun 2013 #42

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights reorg Jun 2013 #82

Golly, this was posted! Why am I not a team or a computer JackRiddler Jun 2013 #34

"I repeat my response" RetroLounge Jun 2013 #41

....and of course they bash without link or quote uponit7771 Jun 2013 #74

Posting duplicate threads is only bad when you do it. ucrdem Jun 2013 #129

I think it's a question of degree, ucrdem. sibelian Jun 2013 #134

Exactly. Rounding up the Jews was perfectly lawful. mhatrw Jun 2013 #157

We cheer on another pro-Chinese group attacking President Obama again? Dr Fate Jun 2013 #20

pro-Chinese group ? zeemike Jun 2013 #23

They are defending Hong Kong Eddie are they not? Dr Fate Jun 2013 #25

Who is this Hong Kong Eddie you speak of. zeemike Jun 2013 #32

How Liberal is Obama with all the Republicans he has appointed? RC Jun 2013 #31

A response like that used to qualify obviously... JackRiddler Jun 2013 #36

Yeah. The Chinese just swoon over AI's defense of the Dalai Lama and Aung san suu kyi. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #39

What's Obama got to do with being liberal? sibelian Jun 2013 #132

Some here only support Amnesty Inter. when it's convenient. Re: Chavez OKNancy Jun 2013 #28

+1 sheshe2 Jun 2013 #47

Are you consistent? JackRiddler Jun 2013 #65

no, they only support amnesty when it's convenient. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #123

Du rec. Nt xchrom Jun 2013 #40

No Human Rights Violations Or Illegal Actions Were Exposed. -eom gcomeau Jun 2013 #45

What about for disclosing sensitive classified information regarding China/Russia? KittyWampus Jun 2013 #48

you said it was old news.. frylock Jun 2013 #62

K&R MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #51

Yep. And, it's "time" for more whistleblowers like Snowden worldwide. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #57

why do I see this man as a traitor ??? he specifically went out and got a job so he could do this. secondwind Jun 2013 #59

Do what? Expose a treason of 10 years or more? JackRiddler Jun 2013 #63

A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong gives it a superficial appearance of being right. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #67

It is simple. sibelian Jun 2013 #135

K&R idwiyo Jun 2013 #76

Could be. Or maybe Amnesty is wandering off course here. That happens sometimes struggle4progress Jun 2013 #105

Widney Brown's AI statement is seriously off the hook: ucrdem Jun 2013 #120

My Monthly donation to ACLU at work! bobduca Jun 2013 #109

K&R ReRe Jun 2013 #111

What "human rights violations" did Snowman disclose? As for knowing the time. . . ucrdem Jun 2013 #115

EXACTLY!!Amnesty International are just right-wing shills -ALWAYS HAVE BEEN! Everybody knows that!! Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #127

Let's not get carried away. nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #128

"Thanks for exposing Amnesty International as a RW propaganda mill." sibelian Jun 2013 #131

Hi sibelian, in this case at least it appears to be. ucrdem Jun 2013 #133

I call them human rights Nazis!!Trying to force their free speech and privacy rights down everyone's Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #136

They are what they do and they appear to be playing partisan politics. ucrdem Jun 2013 #137

No doubt!!! Just ask ANY Tea Party or Right-Wing Republicans - They LOVE Amnesty International Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #138

Why stop there? I say we torture them. n/t mhatrw Jun 2013 #159

kr HiPointDem Jun 2013 #117

Wow... ReRe Jun 2013 #147

about two weeks ago - I was in my favorite local bar -a place where some of the movers and shakers Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #148

Fair weather friend, I guess... ReRe Jun 2013 #150

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