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21. it was explained, cannot help if you do not understand.

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The photos are haunting wercal Jun 2013 #1

If Martin had been repeatedly bashing Zimmerman's head against the pavement, winter is coming Jun 2013 #3

Are you sayimg they didn't have a fight? wercal Jun 2013 #5

I'm saying the altercation couldn't have lasted very long after Zimmerman started bleeding. n/t winter is coming Jun 2013 #6

Not the kind of fight that would have warranted the big guy using a gun against a teen. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #133

Umm, it wasn't DNA that killed Trayvon...it was a bullet! kelliekat44 Jun 2013 #178

GZ DNA on TM and vise versa ErikwithaK Jun 2013 #211

Or under Trayvon's fingernails. pacalo Jun 2013 #7

DNA testing is an amplification technique... targetpractice Jun 2013 #4

Cells, not molecules. N/T GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #18

No, it's molecules that are amplified by PCR. DNA molecules are contained within the nuclei of cells piedmont Jun 2013 #109

And it is cells, not bare DNA, that are left behind. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #161

No one said anything about bare DNA. piedmont Jun 2013 #164

actually, dna is molecules and you amplify the molecules of dna magical thyme Jun 2013 #113

But you don't shed bare DNA, you shed CELLS. N/T GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #162

I wrote "you need to FIND cells," but really you are finding the dna inside the cells magical thyme Jun 2013 #172

If I remember the autopsy report correctly, the blood under zimmy's nose came, not from a hit niyad Jun 2013 #8

I don't know anything about that wercal Jun 2013 #10

because, according to zimmy, that violent little punk (also known as the person he was stalking) niyad Jun 2013 #11

None of that explains wercal Jun 2013 #13

seriously? I just explained why, and you STILL don't understand it? wow. niyad Jun 2013 #15

No I still don't understand wercal Jun 2013 #16

it was explained, cannot help if you do not understand. niyad Jun 2013 #21

I don't understand either. Zimmerman's not dead. Why would the autopsy mention him? nolabear Jun 2013 #24

He is asking hooptie Jun 2013 #25

well, no it wasn't explained. NM_Birder Jun 2013 #26

Not explained one bit wercal Jun 2013 #28

I think poster is referring to the DNA report. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #44

Because in homicides, the Medical Examiner/Coroner is also collecting forensic evidence. Melinda Jun 2013 #58

yeah, why would an autopsy on the deceased, talk about the murderer? It wouldn't. graham4anything Jun 2013 #55

Autopsy JDPriestly Jun 2013 #140

I am wondering auntsue Jun 2013 #160

There's zimmerman blood on zimmermans gun, he hit himself with his own gun uponit7771 Jun 2013 #29

Yup Politicalboi Jun 2013 #53

The cut on his knuckle could have come from his hand hitting the sidewalk Zoeisright Jun 2013 #14

Ok I'll bite...how did Zimmermqn's nose get bloodied? wercal Jun 2013 #17

His own gun did that Politicalboi Jun 2013 #54

So Zimmerman was crouching down, his nose at the level of Martin's chest? wercal Jun 2013 #59

what part of "no DNA" are you failing to comprehend? noiretextatique Jun 2013 #77

Said poster was just pretending opening arguments Rex Jun 2013 #79

indeed...we need a better quality of troll noiretextatique Jun 2013 #90

Now it is about what was hashed out before the case went to court. Rex Jun 2013 #92

good...not only as asshole noiretextatique Jun 2013 #187

Ah - a CSI Expert wercal Jun 2013 #93

lack of DNA on his hands raises questions about other parts of Zimmerman's story magical thyme Jun 2013 #129

according to this person noiretextatique Jun 2013 #188

I think you are incorrect -- in opening statement prosecution raised doubt specifically about Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #150

Zimmerman says he was on his back when he shot Martin magical thyme Jun 2013 #126

There was no "cut" on TM's knuckle, there was a "small abrasion" on his left ring finger.... uponit7771 Jun 2013 #30

Well....how did Zimmerman's nose get bloodied? wercal Jun 2013 #33

I bloodied my own nose once on the door frame getting out of the car too quickly LanternWaste Jun 2013 #38

I see - A car door hit him in the face wercal Jun 2013 #47

what part of no DNA found on martin's hands are you failing to grasp? noiretextatique Jun 2013 #94

no, any reasonable person does NOT necessarily agree with your point of view. Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #151

The same question can be asked about his own gun!!! Achoms razor comes into effect now... uponit7771 Jun 2013 #42

Occam's Razor? wercal Jun 2013 #45

Maybe he smacked his nose on TM's body or on the ground as they were wrestling around. uppityperson Jun 2013 #65

I am going to repeat this again wercal Jun 2013 #67

You mean the defense let the prosecution make their opening statement? Rex Jun 2013 #69

Without making an objection - yes wercal Jun 2013 #71

LOL! *Chrickets* Rex Jun 2013 #72

See post 74 wercal Jun 2013 #83

No problem, you got caught making stuff up. Rex Jun 2013 #89

Making stuff up? wercal Jun 2013 #100

Link to "everybody...has accepted this as fact" and no, Opening Statement is not "fact" uppityperson Jun 2013 #105

Ok not everybody wercal Jun 2013 #116

try again -- you presume too much wisdom Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #152

"74. I do not think you understand the difference between opening statements and during testimony"? uppityperson Jun 2013 #95

I do not think you understand the difference between opening statements and during testimony. eom uppityperson Jun 2013 #74

Hell, I've seen objections during jury selection wercal Jun 2013 #81

Yes, there are objections during jury selection as that is different also. Opening statement time uppityperson Jun 2013 #82

I've never read about an objection to the opening statement Rex Jun 2013 #86

Did you read the paper last week? wercal Jun 2013 #102

Opening statements are subjective. Not everything is excluded. They are NOT presentations of uppityperson Jun 2013 #107

Do you want me to keep repeating the same thing? wercal Jun 2013 #112

Read this about Opening Statements. Done with you. uppityperson Jun 2013 #114

So you actually put in bold wercal Jun 2013 #119

Because allegations about Martin's past are irrelevant JDPriestly Jun 2013 #143

Didn't the lawyers spend a week arguing with each other wercal Jun 2013 #96

Or maybe they were sure there is no proof that happened so let the defense claim whatever uppityperson Jun 2013 #98

I think they understand, just don't want to admit to it. Rex Jun 2013 #104

I don't think you understand what lying in court is all about wercal Jun 2013 #115

During the evidence and witness part, yes, they do. During opening statement? Nope. uppityperson Jun 2013 #117

I urge you to take some classes in human communications. Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #154

Zimmerman has said so many things that are not Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #153

I am going to repeat this again. That does not prove how a 17 yr old got an abrasion on his finger. uppityperson Jun 2013 #70

The defense let the prosecutor making their opening statement. Rex Jun 2013 #73

Opening statements are subjective, are telling jurors what they hope to persuade them of. uppityperson Jun 2013 #75

*Crickets* Rex Jun 2013 #76

You must be right wercal Jun 2013 #84

And you know exactly what they hashed out, again with the ambiguous posting. Rex Jun 2013 #91

Well I know with great certainty wercal Jun 2013 #99

They did and yes, they allow subjective stuff in opening statements. It is the ONE time during a uppityperson Jun 2013 #97

Why didn't the defense bring up Martin's twitter feed that mentioned drug use? wercal Jun 2013 #106

Because SOME things were excluded but not ALL things were excluded. uppityperson Jun 2013 #110

why object when it's easy to get the jury to question Zims truthfulness? Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #155

They were arguing very basic considerations like relevancy. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #145

Since you don't appear to have gotten an answer that satisfies you, let me try. last1standing Jun 2013 #130

Thank you for writing all that to him and good luck. uppityperson Jun 2013 #147

thank you!! Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #156

I left DU for four years because I was tire of getting sucked in. last1standing Jun 2013 #170

That "fact" may or may not be in quesition. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #141

in the Prosecution's opening, they said the cut was on his left hand, but he was right-handed. Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #103

If I was being accosted by some one who was in pursuit of me I wouldn't hesitate lumpy Jun 2013 #165

It's not obvious at all that Martin hit Zimmerman yardwork Jun 2013 #23

Well the simplest conclusion is usually the correct conclusion wercal Jun 2013 #32

Except that the cut was on Martin's LEFT hand, and he was RIGHT handed ... Myrina Jun 2013 #35

Have you ever boxed? wercal Jun 2013 #51

Was Trayvon a boxer? Politicalboi Jun 2013 #56

You tell me, after watching this clip wercal Jun 2013 #64

give it up...you'd do better here noiretextatique Jun 2013 #122

We don't know the verbal exchange betreen Z and M unfortunately, if any. lumpy Jun 2013 #167

Uh, no. I haven't. Myrina Jun 2013 #61

No not at all wercal Jun 2013 #66

"believed to be Martin" I object to your facts Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #174

Go ahead and object wercal Jun 2013 #175

I'm pretty sure that 'evidence' was disallowed Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #176

Doesn't matter one bit if it was disallowed wercal Jun 2013 #177

no, the thread has been about how sketchy Zimmerman's claims are, on account of the ACTUAL evidence. Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #179

Oh really wercal Jun 2013 #181

what is your agenda? Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #186

You do understand that the burden of proof is not on Zimmerman, right? wercal Jun 2013 #189

Defender of the Zimmy DainBramaged Jun 2013 #190

I guess the poor guy needs somebody who loves him... it's not looking good for him in the courtroom. Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #194

and you have proved that Trayvon punched George's noze, if only people would open their eyes!!!! Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #192

No I haven't proven it... wercal Jun 2013 #198

so you think Zimmerman shot him in self-defense Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #200

It really doesn't matter what I think wercal Jun 2013 #202

ok I got a grip and we see things differently. Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #206

You are arguing with the Defender of the Zimmy DainBramaged Jun 2013 #191

I know.. I have allowed myself to get sucked into this fruitless loop. Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #193

We figured this one out yesterday DainBramaged Jun 2013 #195

aha... thanks for the insight Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #196

You have no understanding of SYG laws wercal Jun 2013 #199

(sigh) DainBramaged Jun 2013 #201

Cute picture wercal Jun 2013 #203

I have no interest in satisfying your banal desire to prove us Liburals wrong on a single point DainBramaged Jun 2013 #204

So now that you're wrong about SYG... wercal Jun 2013 #205

Martin did NOT...NOT have a cut on his hand. He had a "small abrasion" on his LEFT ring finger uponit7771 Jun 2013 #41

Ok - an abraision is actually more indicative of a punch than a cut wercal Jun 2013 #50

but if the abrasion was from a punch wouldn't Zimmerman's DNA be in that abrasion? liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #52

When did the police look for DNA? wercal Jun 2013 #57

the medical examiner tested martin's hands for DNA noiretextatique Jun 2013 #123

And you are trying to defend Zimmerman why? DainBramaged Jun 2013 #43

Beep Beep Strawman Alert wercal Jun 2013 #48

Wow how lawyeriffic of you..... DainBramaged Jun 2013 #49

I've started to wonder that same thing ... Myrina Jun 2013 #62

Yeah, but it's fun discussing nuk nuks with him.... DainBramaged Jun 2013 #63

the same reason why others are defending zimmerman noiretextatique Jun 2013 #124

my understanding is a small cut on his ring or little finger on his non-dominant hand Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #101

Stand up wercal Jun 2013 #111

doesn't sound as feasible to me but maybe you're right and I guess we'll never know Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #120

Just go to youtube and watch a boxing match wercal Jun 2013 #121

was Trayvon a trained boxer? Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #128

I've posted a fight video elsewhere on this thread wercal Jun 2013 #134

No. However, Zimmerman WAS trained in MMA (mixed martial arts)fighting techniques uppityperson Jun 2013 #148

complete fantasy, per usual noiretextatique Jun 2013 #125

Its how every boxer on the planet boxes wercal Jun 2013 #132

Glad you are starting to recognize that. eom uppityperson Jun 2013 #149

This was hardly a boxing match. Does it really matter, in this case, whether lumpy Jun 2013 #168

was trayvon martin a boxer? noiretextatique Jun 2013 #182

Are u a fighter? bravenak Jun 2013 #158

Yes I used to box wercal Jun 2013 #166

I no longer have to worry about fighting. bravenak Jun 2013 #169

Zimmerman claimed that Martin smothered him with his hand magical thyme Jun 2013 #118

Zimmerman is going to have a big problem with that statement wercal Jun 2013 #131

IIRC, none of Martin's dna was found on Zimmerman's gun magical thyme Jun 2013 #135

Your last sentence was brought up by the prosecution during opening arguments wercal Jun 2013 #136

I don't think it matters that Martin was on top... magical thyme Jun 2013 #138

I thought about getting NSA data before wercal Jun 2013 #139

I was beaned by an icicle 2 years ago magical thyme Jun 2013 #144

another of your ridiculous claims noiretextatique Jun 2013 #207

I've only got bits and pieces of the trial today wercal Jun 2013 #208

Wow, that's quite an article.. pipoman Jun 2013 #2

police officer says martin was FACE DOWN with his hands underneath him--there is NO WAY he could niyad Jun 2013 #9

His position at death says nothing about what he was doing a few seconds before. N/T GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #19

riggght--so a few seconds before, he was on top of zimmy, pummeling him, and zimmy manages to flip niyad Jun 2013 #20

flip him over??? GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #22

The bullet entrance wound NM_Birder Jun 2013 #27

WORSE!! Z shoots TM then claims he doesn't know how TM got on his face!! In the Video statement uponit7771 Jun 2013 #31

Didn't TM say something along the line of "you got me" according to Zimmy? vague recollection uppityperson Jun 2013 #68

That was an excellent article. Thank you. nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #12

Are there really Zimmerman defenders in this thread? DainBramaged Jun 2013 #34

It Appears So n/t HangOnKids Jun 2013 #36

That tells you they aren't from around here....... DainBramaged Jun 2013 #37

Their playground is like a giant litter box HangOnKids Jun 2013 #39

I'm so stealing your line! displacedtexan Jun 2013 #197

Good way to tell if DU is fud ran....wingers stay away from this little bit of evidence thuogh uponit7771 Jun 2013 #40

yes...alll with low post counts noiretextatique Jun 2013 #78

They are so obvious......why do they think they will change the trial outcome posting here? DainBramaged Jun 2013 #108

we sure as hell do noiretextatique Jun 2013 #127

They usually start in RBKA nut land and land here to ry and play smart DainBramaged Jun 2013 #137

that is very interesting. How do you get in a physical struggle with someone, get bloodied and liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #46

because: zimmerman lied noiretextatique Jun 2013 #80

YEP. Rex Jun 2013 #60

Did he just try to object to his own question?! uponit7771 Jun 2013 #85

the defense attorney doesn't seem very bright eom noiretextatique Jun 2013 #88

i think zimmerman is going to be convicted noiretextatique Jun 2013 #87

Yes, and Rachel Jeantel come across as a credible, JimDandy Jun 2013 #142

I surely hope you're right, but I have a bad feeling about it burnodo Jun 2013 #185

What is the story in so far as Martin's DNA on Zimmerman? JDPriestly Jun 2013 #146

This is the part I need explained too...from that evidence alone it seems Z should take a plea uponit7771 Jun 2013 #159

i may be wrong, but i am not sure if he was tested noiretextatique Jun 2013 #183

Including his hands? So Trevon couldn't have smashed his head into the sidewalk? Motown_Johnny Jun 2013 #157

correct. which mean zimmerman is a liar noiretextatique Jun 2013 #184

Not sure what that means, since they clearly got into a tussle. There should be DNA on BOTH of them. Honeycombe8 Jun 2013 #163

Zimmerman has a cold, brooding demeanor AgingAmerican Jun 2013 #171

this proves he wasn't even there Enrique Jun 2013 #173

LOL!!! nt kelliekat44 Jun 2013 #180

You're wrong ErikwithaK Jun 2013 #209

Interesting, let me copy/paste the relevant bits for others uppityperson Jun 2013 #210

I am reposting that as its own post as I haven't seen it before. Thanks. uppityperson Jun 2013 #212