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In reply to the discussion: Sick and tired of the Snowden fanbase [View all]
flamingdem
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the law of unintended intended consequences -- now libertarians will really have something to bitch about
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The United States makes itself look bad. He's merely providing the opportunity.
Gravitycollapse
Jun 2013
#2
Exactly. Though on second thought I think the OP is angry that the US is made to look weak.
snagglepuss
Jun 2013
#251
Wtf does his girlfriend have to do with him leaking foreign surveillance operations by the U.S....
Galraedia
Jun 2013
#7
And Im sick and tired of the secrets and lies in a government Obama said was going to be transparent
davidn3600
Jun 2013
#10
I'm sick and tired of people blaming liberals for not fixing every damn thing they have...
Galraedia
Jun 2013
#27
oh, it's not secret and was already known in 2006? then what's the big deal and why
HiPointDem
Jun 2013
#255
It's a secret court...so how do we know if the 4th amendment is being followed?
davidn3600
Jun 2013
#137
In my case, T-Mobile collects it. They do not have my permission to turn it
snappyturtle
Jun 2013
#244
It comes from a company who has no call to share it with the government
DisgustipatedinCA
Jun 2013
#303
You seem to be operating under the illusion that the phone companies are just now sharing.
jeff47
Jun 2013
#382
No, I'm not operating under any illusions. I was right here in 2006, pissed off.
DisgustipatedinCA
Jun 2013
#383
The basic lack of transparency on the gov't's part doesn't elicit trust. imho nt
snappyturtle
Jun 2013
#228
So wise words from Franklin are fine til shit gets real, then it's time to abandon them?
DisgustipatedinCA
Jun 2013
#306
There should be no higher priority than repealing the Patriot Act and reversing the surveillance
totodeinhere
Jun 2013
#160
+ a gazillion! I was leary of the "Patriot" Act from its debut....very scary and done
snappyturtle
Jun 2013
#249
I am sick of those who are using Snowden as a distraction. Just what the 1% wants.
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#386
It really is the most ridiculous argument I've seen at DU in a long time
laundry_queen
Jun 2013
#181
What isn't voluntary about the kinds of behaviors that could produce a FISA warrant?
patrice
Jun 2013
#268
i guess that i'd have to know exactly what kinds of behavior would merit a FISA warrant..
frylock
Jun 2013
#287
I admit that the reason I'm feeling constructive about this is that I hope to see a viable
patrice
Jun 2013
#298
I agree that people here really NEED to get in the habit of qualifying their statements much
patrice
Jun 2013
#270
I agree with most of this, except economic class prejudice is the more relevant driver. It's race
patrice
Jun 2013
#264
I finally got one GreenwaldSnowden devotee here to answer that the principle is worth millions of
patrice
Jun 2013
#254
Of course they have things to hide. Just as the outing of Valerie Plame contributed to Bush's War,
patrice
Jun 2013
#275
If freedom is the criteria, being wrong in assuming there's no need for secret security intelligence
patrice
Jun 2013
#288
what about those who are pro-Snowden? Do you consider them "traitors" too, in a sense?
quinnox
Jun 2013
#65
The anti-Snowden's already have evidence that he gave secrets to the Chinese
flamingdem
Jun 2013
#19
he gave them the IP addresses of the Chinese computers we hack and whether he hacks were
arely staircase
Jun 2013
#39
The Chinese government had managed to drain the contents of Mr. Snowden four laptops
Fla Dem
Jun 2013
#178
wow. who knew the chinese had the tech to drain a laptop. we are totally fucked.
Warren Stupidity
Jun 2013
#229
Re your last sentence: If you have a right to live, so do those few, even if it's just one - AND -
patrice
Jun 2013
#295
No,no, no. THere should be no good OR bad. We tell other countries with our bully
snappyturtle
Jun 2013
#233
Thank YOU for your great replies...can't you hear me cheering you on? ha!
snappyturtle
Jun 2013
#246
I thank you from the bottom of my heart for my dad,,,he loved America. And,
snappyturtle
Jun 2013
#277
I am told there are different kinds of Libertarians. The only kind I have ever met only care about
patrice
Jun 2013
#300
Me too...they are led by Obama true beleivers and the low post count brigade...
bowens43
Jun 2013
#55
It was a spam-bot and those are usually designed not to represent a real person's true
patrice
Jun 2013
#305
That's a prejudiced statement based on little or no information. & my how you all scream
patrice
Jun 2013
#302
If we are going to kill the messenger, shouldn't we at least look at the message?
KurtNYC
Jun 2013
#24
Like it or not, the discussion is happening. It's big. It's ongoing. It's a good thing.
DisgustipatedinCA
Jun 2013
#309
Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed: everything else is public relations.
Fire Walk With Me
Jun 2013
#29
Patently false. He should have vetoed this. It did not pass by a veto-proof margin in the House.
limpyhobbler
Jun 2013
#166
If you want people to BELIEVE that you are capable of being objective, you need to
patrice
Jun 2013
#308
Are you promoting hate of another DU -er? That's pretty low and it undercuts your
patrice
Jun 2013
#313
I'm tired of people sycophanting to the Bush/Cheney/neocon surveillance state. n/t
Fire Walk With Me
Jun 2013
#74
more like truman/eisenhower/kennedy/johnson/nixon/ford/carter/reagan/bush/clinton/bush/obama
Warren Stupidity
Jun 2013
#294
But it has gotten worse and more widespread lately especially since the passage
totodeinhere
Jun 2013
#373
Yep. But of course, those supporting Obama are quick to dismiss the GEORGE BUSH component somehow.
Fire Walk With Me
Jun 2013
#299
Of course I'm serious. I've also been around the block and this is nothing new.
ucrdem
Jun 2013
#109
There's no mention of Wikileaks or Assange in your reference re: climategate.
GeorgeGist
Jun 2013
#339
reply #26: "Wikileaks released the 'hacked' CRU emails, a deed Assange proudly takes credit
ucrdem
Jun 2013
#340
The "Libertarian" party was cooked up in a GOP think tank and established in 1971.
ucrdem
Jun 2013
#118
I didn't call Wyden and Udall anything. Your claims are absurd and offensive. nt
ucrdem
Jun 2013
#361
Someone got pissy enough to alert on this post. Unfortunately for them jury disagreed.
idwiyo
Jun 2013
#367
It's IN THE FUCKING BILL OF RIGHTS. By definition, it's very damn close
DisgustipatedinCA
Jun 2013
#343
He betrayed state secrets to the NSA's most feared enemy of the state...
backscatter712
Jun 2013
#101
And waste taxpayer money on something that was reauthorized by a majority in Congress?
Galraedia
Jun 2013
#173
If our President makes his decisions based on the fear that Republicans will complain
Maedhros
Jun 2013
#330
That was another 'era' and the repukes weren't as 'dangerous' as they now R...
Amonester
Jun 2013
#332
Let me ask if you've read 'The List' of liberal issues he already accomplished?
Amonester
Jun 2013
#334
Is that why Valerie Plame is saying that U.S. citizens owe Snowden a thank-you?
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jun 2013
#266
I agree that he was right to tell the public about the NSA spying on us
justiceischeap
Jun 2013
#345
Please, never complain about anyone mischaracterizing your case, or being prejudiced against you
patrice
Jun 2013
#324
what should the government do to punish DUers after a terror attack?
carolinayellowdog
Jun 2013
#213
You must first alert on your self to understand the deeper purpose of Dem zombie voters.
L0oniX
Jun 2013
#282
You left out the bit about the government spying on the American people, which he exposed.
limpyhobbler
Jun 2013
#143
Too bad the government kept it a secret from the American people until Snowden exposed it.
limpyhobbler
Jun 2013
#197
Q: If it was so innocent why was the government keeping it a secret from the American people?
limpyhobbler
Jun 2013
#227
How is it that Snowden could become so indoctrinated in Socialism without attending an American
populistdriven
Jun 2013
#175
I don't see Snowden criticizing China for spying on us or on their own people...
Galraedia
Jun 2013
#223
Things are starting to turn. Greenwald is on the defensive and Snowden is now cowering in Russia
Cali_Democrat
Jun 2013
#243
I actually wouldn't mind if many of these surveillance programs are eliminated altogether
Cali_Democrat
Jun 2013
#253
I agree with you. The great irony is that the far left is being played by a poser and coward.
bluestate10
Jun 2013
#278
I'm sick & tired of repeating the same question on this issue: How many dead people is being wrong
patrice
Jun 2013
#256
Snowden is a traitor hiding under a cause that average americans can relate to.
bluestate10
Jun 2013
#276
Quite apart from what Snowden has or doesn't have, what he is or isn't...
GliderGuider
Jun 2013
#285
You mean that piece of paper that institutionalized corporate personhood, a.k.a. the oligarchy . . .
patrice
Jun 2013
#318
Not as sick as I am of people who defend illegal government operations against the American people.
Octafish
Jun 2013
#307
So it's perfectly okay for China to hack our computers and steal around 12 secret military
Galraedia
Jun 2013
#320
You choose the Republican Clapper? Not surprised. Fascism is so easy. I stand with the 99%.
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#322
The lines have been drawn. You stand with the 1%. May your god forgive you. nm
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#321
300+ Replies & not one, "n dead people are an acceptable consequence of my position" & What calls
patrice
Jun 2013
#326
I'm sick of naive or malicious police state apologists make my country the joke of the world with
Zorra
Jun 2013
#351