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199. I'd say the country is evenly split about whether or not that constitutes 'spying'.

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 02:43 PM

Jun 2013

If the NSA can't look at the data without a 2nd warrant, I'm good with it.

If they did not have this data copied from the telecoms, when the NSA had a warrant to look for information, it would need to encompass every single telecom in the country.

A hell of a lot more points of interception, hacking and even telecom employee malfeasance.

Copying the data into a 'black box' keeps it easily accessible for legitimate law enforcement purposes.

Could the NSA be using it for nefarious purposes, going against the law and their internal regulations? Sure.

Someone could be going through my garbage each night, too. Until I have evidence that this is happening, I'm not going to worry about it.

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. baldguy Jun 2013 #280

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Obama put together his own cat food commission. avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #105

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He posted his pictures maddezmom Jun 2013 #88

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LOL Right?!? Myrina Jun 2013 #103

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just like on DU? Whisp Jun 2013 #249

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The Hero. Will be lots of, "so what" with the worshippers. ksoze Jun 2013 #102

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I don't care what you think about my analogy Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #206

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Shuddap willya?! bunnies Jun 2013 #426

That is some juicy stuff there, all right... ljm2002 Jun 2013 #127

The mistake they keep making nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #140

I will say, in all fairness... ljm2002 Jun 2013 #152

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Like a peaceful Occupy protest? nt woo me with science Jun 2013 #402

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I don't care if he donated to the nazi party nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #162

The discussion is about "evolving" frazzled Jun 2013 #169

Can we talk thinthread, Tempora, stellar wind? nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #176

go talk amongst yourselves. Whisp Jun 2013 #214

This is an interesting comment: kentuck Jun 2013 #141

and here I thought that he nineteen50 Jun 2013 #148

Whatta guy. CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #150

+1 flamingdem Jun 2013 #172

Tradde him for the ring. ROFL. nt okaawhatever Jun 2013 #205

People change. caseymoz Jun 2013 #151

I wonder if he still hates social security and refers to people as retards. n/t Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #157

Well avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #165

Lie much. Cha Jun 2013 #365

That is your expertise dear. avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #366

It is hypocritical to claim that a person who said X in 2011 should be expected to feel the Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #203

The hypocrisy stinks to high heaven. avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #272

This message was self-deleted by its author avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #292

Well, Obama doesn't deserve much credit. caseymoz Jun 2013 #354

Sometimes they don't, and sometimes that doesn't matter NoOneMan Jun 2013 #164

Actually, my answer was careless. caseymoz Jun 2013 #356

sure they do. From nerdy jerkoff to treasonist treachery. n/t Whisp Jun 2013 #177

Every Libertarian wingnut has a treasonous criminal inside them. ucrdem Jun 2013 #224

no worries, he'll be reformed in Venezuela's Libertarian Retraining Camps! flamingdem Jun 2013 #227

Mambo therapy ucrdem Jun 2013 #231

arrribaa! flamingdem Jun 2013 #258

awww.. ucrdem Jun 2013 #302

nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #304

dang what was it! flamingdem Jun 2013 #362

Hardly. I dont' think he's near Venezueala caseymoz Jun 2013 #361

What he did was good. caseymoz Jun 2013 #359

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You mean to say caseymoz Jun 2013 #368

Check out the Vanity Fair article I posted, try to get past the title about Snowden's world tour flamingdem Jun 2013 #369

Sorry, I found little of substance in that article. caseymoz Jun 2013 #373

+1 wtmusic Jun 2013 #220

He'll have thirty years to change ucrdem Jun 2013 #226

just last year he donated to Ron Paul JI7 Jun 2013 #275

I answered a bit quick caseymoz Jun 2013 #371

Order the drone strikes! Renew Deal Jun 2013 #179

why bother flamingdem Jun 2013 #189

Reactionary wingnut Libertarian Obama-hater and all-round RW nutjob. Neat. ucrdem Jun 2013 #190

Is he trolling Aerows Jun 2013 #196

I kind of doubt a Systems Administrator would be doing 'spy stuff'. randome Jun 2013 #211

We don't Aerows Jun 2013 #244

This message was self-deleted by its author JoeyT Jun 2013 #198

Don't you ever tire of this? matt819 Jun 2013 #213

That *is* the point nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #219

But posts like the OP simply perpetuating the propaganda, in the wrong place matt819 Jun 2013 #236

Why is it so difficult for some people to think outside a straight line? Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #215

Your cartoon explains everything, thanks. ucrdem Jun 2013 #217

Why is Gallagher ranked just one step below Augusto Pinochet on the bastardy scale? kenny blankenship Jun 2013 #285

DU rec...nt SidDithers Jun 2013 #221

Sounds like a hypocritical jerk we can do it Jun 2013 #228

Which would lend credence to the notion he's being blackmailed jmowreader Jun 2013 #230

so...this means the info he leaked ISN'T TRUE? If not, this deserve a "so what." yurbud Jun 2013 #233

Lets just send the little shit to Somalia and be done with it. Galraedia Jun 2013 #243

He sounds just like me. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #246

Looks like he had a change of heart... good for him. tinrobot Jun 2013 #252

What are his real motives for revealing so much information? Dawson Leery Jun 2013 #262

After interviewing him, the Wikileaks attorneys have said they won't represent him. randome Jun 2013 #265

Interesting. Dawson Leery Jun 2013 #270

Can anyone take what anyone posts on anonymous internet forums seriously? LeftInTX Jun 2013 #269

I agree. randome Jun 2013 #276

Except he posted his pics. I don't just say just "anything".. I mean what I say and I know my Cha Jun 2013 #367

This was interesting: JTFrog Jun 2013 #404

Mahalo, JTFrog Big HypocriteHOOHA n/m Cha Jun 2013 #431

now that we know this - can the NSA get back to its job? I for one am grateful that records of all Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #284

The NSA saw you type that. randome Jun 2013 #287

Seems more and more like a loon uhnope Jun 2013 #286

He's scared now, I think. randome Jun 2013 #288

soooooo they're saying he is/was too much of an establishment Dem? MisterP Jun 2013 #290

The real hypocrisy is at the top. For example Obama previously campaigned against gay marriage. avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #294

Yep, they are true artists in their chosen medium. kenny blankenship Jun 2013 #298

In the balls... one_voice Jun 2013 #301

K & R Scurrilous Jun 2013 #306

Well Surprise, Surprise!! Number23 Jun 2013 #309

If I WERE to read through this entire thread... Bonobo Jun 2013 #310

IT MAKES A BIG FUCKING DIFFERENCE because Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #372

Attack the messenger!!!!!!!!!!!! mhatrw Jun 2013 #414

All I have left? Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #424

If he is making false accusations, why are his disclosures a problem? n/t mhatrw Jun 2013 #439

Are you serious? Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #443

Jeeze... He's just another Ryandian, Obama-hating a**hole farmbo Jun 2013 #324

THIS IS NOT ABOUT SNOWDEN. PLEASE STOP CHANGING THE SUBJECT. Th1onein Jun 2013 #331

The people who fell all over themselves calling him a Hero Whisp Jun 2013 #334

Making it about Snowden is a distraction. THIS IS ABOUT THE SURVEILLANCE STATE. Th1onein Jun 2013 #336

Give it up. You lost your hero. n/t Whisp Jun 2013 #343

Yeah, that's what I thought. You don't care about the surveillance state. WOW. Th1onein Jun 2013 #351

I hear far more of his detractors claiming he's a hero to people Union Scribe Jun 2013 #345

That is true, now. I guess you missed Opening Night. n/t Whisp Jun 2013 #347

I haven't missed much, actually. Union Scribe Jun 2013 #348

You bought the tee shirt didn't you? I'm sorry. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #430

I'd buy that in a Hong Kong minute! flamingdem Jun 2013 #460

"LEVIATHAN" Kolesar Jun 2013 #448

Yes, haha. But those are not my words. They are Thomas Drake's. Th1onein Jun 2013 #461

So fucking clever.. Didn't like PBO's Defense Cuts.. sounds like the problem is Snowden not PBO Cha Jun 2013 #335

And five minutes of CNN will assure any doubters that it is, indeed, about Snowden. ucrdem Jun 2013 #339

Oh yeah, St Snowden is sucking the air Cha Jun 2013 #342

All tea all the time, lol ucrdem Jun 2013 #346

So Snowden used to hold the same views that President Obama holds now? ram2008 Jun 2013 #352

Snowden was "livid" at PBO for cutting the Military Budget and refered to Cha Jun 2013 #370

I hate to point this to you nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #409

I dont care what his views are ram2008 Jun 2013 #412

THe GrandHypocritalHOOHA's Message is BULLSHIT.. dropping his BULLSHIT Cha Jun 2013 #442

And? He doesn't want want to get Bradley Manning'd ram2008 Jun 2013 #445

Snowden is a Chickenshit Coward who's giving secrets to China and Russia. Cha Jun 2013 #446

Way to ignore the question. ram2008 Jun 2013 #450

Snowden's a stupid stupid jerk.. And, he hasn't done anything worthy. Cha Jun 2013 #452

You sound like a freeper... ram2008 Jun 2013 #453

"you sound like a freeper" Cha Jun 2013 #454

Unbelieveable, you still can't answer the question ram2008 Jun 2013 #455

Any more discredited polls you want to tout? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #463

Snowden used to hold the same views Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #374

summer sheds sunlight on the truth! sigmasix Jun 2013 #386

I'm pretty upset that this nitwit was given so much acccess to everyone's personal info Quantess Jun 2013 #383

Where do you get the idea Snowden has personal info? randome Jun 2013 #389

I got the idea based on what he said. He said he could spy on anybody. Quantess Jun 2013 #390

Snowden has said a lot of things. randome Jun 2013 #392

I see. So, You are one of the people who thinks there is no spying going on. Quantess Jun 2013 #393

Without evidence to show that the NSA is breaking all the laws and regulations on the books... randome Jun 2013 #394

Doin' the troll stomp Kolesar Jun 2013 #403

he also said... dtom67 Jun 2013 #387

Is this supposed to have something to do with whether or not NSA spying on Americans-- eridani Jun 2013 #391

Oh, so he is a loon then! ellie Jun 2013 #397

So what you're saying is... brentspeak Jun 2013 #400

OHMIGOD, some guy who is besides the point posted some dumb shit on the internet mhatrw Jun 2013 #413

His fanbase will conveniently ignore all of this. MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #427

Imagine what the 2013 Snowdon fans would say about 2009 Snowden? baldguy Jun 2013 #428

Why does the Snowden fanbase sound so much like the cult of Ron Paul? Galraedia Jun 2013 #432

This thread is HELL-A huge & like clockwork, all the "THIS IS NOT ABOUT SNOWDEN" toadies... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #434

This is not about Snowden! Here are his modeling pictures!!!! HAUT flamingdem Jun 2013 #436

That is priceless! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #438

I demand my own variety show or I'll release Snowden's info bomb! flamingdem Jun 2013 #441

OMGosh! The GrandHypocriticalHOOHA in diapers! Cha Jun 2013 #444

+++++++1! nt MADem Jun 2013 #449

Little Leaker: I'm going to drop a bomb if you try to get me flamingdem Jun 2013 #451

bump to keep alive flamingdem Jun 2013 #457