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Ms. Toad

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41. Here's a quick cut - dont' have time to pare it down
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 03:45 PM
Jun 2013

Here are snippets - starting around page 19


The State’s power in defining the marital relation is of central relevance in this case quite apart from principles of federalism. Here the State’s decision to give this class of persons the right to marry conferred upon them a dignity and status of immense import. When the State used its historic and essential authority to define the marital relation in this way, its role and its power in making the decision enhanced the recognition, dignity, and protection of the class in their own community. DOMA, because of its reach and extent, departs from this history and tradition of reliance on state law to define marriage. “‘{D}iscriminations of an unusual character especially suggest careful consideration to determine whether they are obnoxious to the constitutional provision.’ ” Romer v. Evans , 517 U. S. 620, 633 (1996) (quoting Louisville Gas & Elec. Co. v. Coleman , 277 U. S. 32, 37–38 (1928)).

The Federal Government uses this state-defined class for the opposite purpose—to impose restrictions and disabilities. That result requires this Court now to address whether the resulting injury and indignity is a deprivation of an essential part of the liberty protected by the Fifth Amendment. What the State of New York treats as alike the federal law deems unlike by a law designed to injure the same class the State seeks to protect.

. . .

The responsibility of the States for the regulation of domestic relations is an important indicator of the substantial societal impact the State’s classifications have in the daily lives and customs of its people. DOMA’s unusual deviation from the usual tradition of recognizing and accepting state definitions of marriage here operates to deprive same-sex couples of the benefits and responsibilities that come with the federal recognition of their marriages.

. . .

DOMA’s principal effect is to identify a subset of state-sanctioned marriages and make them unequal.

. . .

this dynamic DOMA undermines both the public and private significance of state-sanctioned same-sex marriages; for it tells those couples, and all the world, that their otherwise valid marriages are unworthy of federal recognit
ion.

. . .

The class to which DOMA directs its restrictions and restraints are those persons who are joined in same-sex marriages made lawful by the State.

. . .

The federal statute is invalid, for no legitimate purpose overcomes the purpose and effect to
disparage and to injure those whom the State, by its marriage laws, sought to protect in personhood and dignity. By seeking to displace this protection and treating those
persons as living in marriages less respected than others,


And - unfortunately - that means those of us in marriages the State deems unlike - or has chosen not to protect - are not instantaneously granted recognition of our marriages. This decision, at least by the language of the decision merely says it was unconstitutional for the Federal Government via DOMA tot take away what the state has chosen to give.

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What just happened re: DOMA [View all] Triana Jun 2013 OP
It also opens the door to some future litigation. morningfog Jun 2013 #1
Really? I understand it differently. yardwork Jun 2013 #2
That is what I am hoping it means, but I am not sure. The Link Jun 2013 #3
That is what it means, you are correct. The challenge I see coming morningfog Jun 2013 #8
I agree - they certainly laid the groundwork Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #11
The federal benefits will travel with the legally married couples. morningfog Jun 2013 #13
Yes. This is how I see it too. nt Lex Jun 2013 #15
That is not what the decision said. Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #16
I don't read it that narrowly. Maybe you can point me to a quote. morningfog Jun 2013 #18
Here's a quick cut - dont' have time to pare it down Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #41
All the language goes to any marriage morningfog Jun 2013 #43
That is really not clear. Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #44
Here are a few points from NYT: morningfog Jun 2013 #48
The distinction between residence and marriage is really a distinction without a difference Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #49
That's not entirely clear jberryhill Jun 2013 #24
SCOTUSBlog supports my reading of it: morningfog Jun 2013 #38
We'll see. Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #40
Not yet. Unfortunately. bunnies Jun 2013 #19
Hmm. morningfog Jun 2013 #20
The problem is the first mention of "a State" jberryhill Jun 2013 #26
Yeah, I think it is open. morningfog Jun 2013 #31
Well... jberryhill Jun 2013 #34
Looks like the all states will be on the hook for federal benefits any legally recognized marriages. morningfog Jun 2013 #39
I know. Seems contradictory. bunnies Jun 2013 #28
I think that the federal benefits will travel with the couples. morningfog Jun 2013 #36
Good. bunnies Jun 2013 #37
Two scenarios jberryhill Jun 2013 #29
I think, ultimately, the answers would be the same. morningfog Jun 2013 #32
I agree that this will open avenues for lawsuits yardwork Jun 2013 #23
Exactly justiceischeap Jun 2013 #4
This happens all the time with first cousins jberryhill Jun 2013 #6
That is not analagous. Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #14
...which is why the next challenge will have to address Section 2 jberryhill Jun 2013 #17
We have a winner here! n/t Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #42
The expected test case... Chan790 Jun 2013 #5
What is the "federally granted right" in that sentence? jberryhill Jun 2013 #7
Federal benefits to same sex couples. morningfog Jun 2013 #9
I'll have to read it more closely jberryhill Jun 2013 #10
No, it does not say state denial of same sex marriages is discriminatory. morningfog Jun 2013 #12
That is in relation, though to "a class the state has chosen to protect" jberryhill Jun 2013 #21
Excuse my ignorance........ truegrit44 Jun 2013 #22
They will now have federal rights yardwork Jun 2013 #25
Was that question actually answered here? jberryhill Jun 2013 #30
Looks like I was wrong. yardwork Jun 2013 #45
So only as far as say taxes? truegrit44 Jun 2013 #33
I was wrong. yardwork Jun 2013 #46
Ok, guess I should have read more posts truegrit44 Jun 2013 #35
Yeah. I'm still a non-person. yardwork Jun 2013 #47
Kick! Rec! Love! Hekate Jun 2013 #27
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