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Ms. Toad

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44. That is really not clear.
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 04:25 PM
Jun 2013

And precisely why I thought they would dodge the question.

Under traditional analysis, you are correct. Marriage is determined by the legality when and where it was entered into.

But the case explicitly hinged on New York law which is the resident state, not the marrying state - and, most significantly, a state in which the marriage was NOT recognized at the time it was created, but which later recognized it (and under traditional analysis, New York's later actions would have zero impact on whether Edie Windsor's marriage was legally recognized by the Federal Government or not).

It is not at all clear that if New York had never recognized same gender marriage that Edie Windsor would have won.

So, go through the analysis in the brief (or even just the excerpts above) and substitute a resident state (say Ohio - which refuses to recognize same gender marriages) for New York with a couple who goes to Iowa (the equivalent of Canada) to marry. Canada plays NO role in the Court analysis - so it is not clear that Iowa would play any role in a similar analysis for a resident state like Ohio which has chosen NOT to grant recognition to same gender marriage. Because half of the analysis was all about New York's (the resident state) right to choose - and Ohio has made a different choice.

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What just happened re: DOMA [View all] Triana Jun 2013 OP
It also opens the door to some future litigation. morningfog Jun 2013 #1
Really? I understand it differently. yardwork Jun 2013 #2
That is what I am hoping it means, but I am not sure. The Link Jun 2013 #3
That is what it means, you are correct. The challenge I see coming morningfog Jun 2013 #8
I agree - they certainly laid the groundwork Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #11
The federal benefits will travel with the legally married couples. morningfog Jun 2013 #13
Yes. This is how I see it too. nt Lex Jun 2013 #15
That is not what the decision said. Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #16
I don't read it that narrowly. Maybe you can point me to a quote. morningfog Jun 2013 #18
Here's a quick cut - dont' have time to pare it down Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #41
All the language goes to any marriage morningfog Jun 2013 #43
That is really not clear. Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #44
Here are a few points from NYT: morningfog Jun 2013 #48
The distinction between residence and marriage is really a distinction without a difference Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #49
That's not entirely clear jberryhill Jun 2013 #24
SCOTUSBlog supports my reading of it: morningfog Jun 2013 #38
We'll see. Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #40
Not yet. Unfortunately. bunnies Jun 2013 #19
Hmm. morningfog Jun 2013 #20
The problem is the first mention of "a State" jberryhill Jun 2013 #26
Yeah, I think it is open. morningfog Jun 2013 #31
Well... jberryhill Jun 2013 #34
Looks like the all states will be on the hook for federal benefits any legally recognized marriages. morningfog Jun 2013 #39
I know. Seems contradictory. bunnies Jun 2013 #28
I think that the federal benefits will travel with the couples. morningfog Jun 2013 #36
Good. bunnies Jun 2013 #37
Two scenarios jberryhill Jun 2013 #29
I think, ultimately, the answers would be the same. morningfog Jun 2013 #32
I agree that this will open avenues for lawsuits yardwork Jun 2013 #23
Exactly justiceischeap Jun 2013 #4
This happens all the time with first cousins jberryhill Jun 2013 #6
That is not analagous. Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #14
...which is why the next challenge will have to address Section 2 jberryhill Jun 2013 #17
We have a winner here! n/t Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #42
The expected test case... Chan790 Jun 2013 #5
What is the "federally granted right" in that sentence? jberryhill Jun 2013 #7
Federal benefits to same sex couples. morningfog Jun 2013 #9
I'll have to read it more closely jberryhill Jun 2013 #10
No, it does not say state denial of same sex marriages is discriminatory. morningfog Jun 2013 #12
That is in relation, though to "a class the state has chosen to protect" jberryhill Jun 2013 #21
Excuse my ignorance........ truegrit44 Jun 2013 #22
They will now have federal rights yardwork Jun 2013 #25
Was that question actually answered here? jberryhill Jun 2013 #30
Looks like I was wrong. yardwork Jun 2013 #45
So only as far as say taxes? truegrit44 Jun 2013 #33
I was wrong. yardwork Jun 2013 #46
Ok, guess I should have read more posts truegrit44 Jun 2013 #35
Yeah. I'm still a non-person. yardwork Jun 2013 #47
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