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Proud Liberal Dem

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27. My feelings exactly

Tue Feb 14, 2012, 04:29 PM

Feb 2012

I REALLY hope that SCOTUS doesn't ruin this chance at progress. The way I see it there are 3 different outcomes:

1. Ideal: SCOTUS votes to preserve PPACA with mandate.

2. Less Ideal: SCOTUS strikes down mandate but preserves integrity of PPACA. This will require some adjustments likely but with President Obama re-elected and a Democratic Congress, I'm sure that some palatable solution will be found.

3. Awful: SCOTUS strikes down mandate and the rest of PPACA along with it.

Based on the outcomes of various court cases to date, my guess is that #1 and #2 are the most likely potential outcomes with #3 being very unlikely as only one(?) court has struck down PPACA in its entirety and I don't see how striking down the mandate would necessitate sinking the entire law with it.

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Medical Doctors for Single Payer Urge Supreme Court to Strike Down Individual Insurance Mandate [View all] Better Believe It Feb 2012 OP

The Federal government doesn't have the power to order us to buy products. Romulox Feb 2012 #1

I hear that. Doesn't matter, though, most people can't even afford it, and won't get it. Zalatix Feb 2012 #6

Read post#18. The Wielding Truth Feb 2012 #48

It matters very little. People simply don't have the money. The math always wins. Zalatix Feb 2012 #49

It can work. There are to be provisions for those who have trouble affording it and those who The Wielding Truth Feb 2012 #50

And it'll be those who work that and get it withheld that'll go under. Zalatix Feb 2012 #53

Wait. We're talking health ins. right? They would have to buy it anyhow and with out some change it The Wielding Truth Feb 2012 #60

Forcing people to buy health insurance is a quick way to bankrupt the people. Zalatix Feb 2012 #63

SS Ins. and Unemployment Insurance did not bankrupt "the people". Corruption did. The Wielding Truth Feb 2012 #73

We should be looking past ACA to Medicare for All. Zalatix Feb 2012 #75

Yes they do; It is precidented; first mandate to purchse was 1792 NAO Feb 2012 #18

Our government is one of "Enumerated Powers". So an "Enumerated Basis" for exercise of Romulox Feb 2012 #22

Weak precedent, that mandate did not dictate the good rifle, shot, balls, and powder TheKentuckian Feb 2012 #23

" The Federal government doesn't have the power to order us to buy products." !!! bvar22 Feb 2012 #33

Every dime of their profit is from denied care. Romulox Feb 2012 #34

^ Amen, BVar ^ Mimosa Feb 2012 #51

very well said. nt limpyhobbler Feb 2012 #66

Hear! Hear! K&R Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #2

excellent! mike_c Feb 2012 #3

K&R think Feb 2012 #4

Yeah, that'll help loyalsister Feb 2012 #5

Like with the Republican's "blank sheet of paper" Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2012 #20

This ball started rolling a very long time ago loyalsister Feb 2012 #31

Uh, no. We are now the FARTHEST away from universal health care we have ever been. Edweird Feb 2012 #64

??? loyalsister Feb 2012 #71

This is counter productive taught_me_patience Feb 2012 #7

I agree completely. Leaving it up to the Supreme Court will be a Cluster-F*$K. Hoyt Feb 2012 #25

Fine - the mandate was an idea dreamed up by Republicans in the first place derby378 Feb 2012 #68

Disagree. Chan790 Feb 2012 #36

K&R EFerrari Feb 2012 #8

+1 area51 Feb 2012 #9

Are these doctors really that naive? subterranean Feb 2012 #10

It's going to happen sooner or later Aerows Feb 2012 #11

Probably later. subterranean Feb 2012 #14

Isn't that essentially how Canada's SP system started out? Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2012 #30

Of course the cost of insurance will be irrelevant after 2014 bornskeptic Feb 2012 #52

Medicare For All. Cleita Feb 2012 #12

I agree, but we'll need a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. subterranean Feb 2012 #15

Good luck. We almost got single payer in California. Cleita Feb 2012 #17

We had those things when the ACA was before congress. n/t Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #24

The Health Care Industry and Big Pharma Protection Act is not a progressive step forward. Better Believe It Feb 2012 #13

Yet insurance companies are not rejoicing over it either Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2012 #21

+1. Insurers know the Exchanges and Medical Loss Ratio will tie their hands and make them Hoyt Feb 2012 #26

My feelings exactly Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2012 #27

If there is any justice in this country the Supreme Court will strike down the insurance mandate Better Believe It Feb 2012 #32

"and that alternative is a single payer national health insurance system" kenny blankenship Feb 2012 #42

Please post the links proving insurance industry opposition to the legislation. Better Believe It Feb 2012 #28

They are only against the parts regulating them (however inadequately) n/t eridani Feb 2012 #39

Yes, how could they not LOVE a legal requirement that gives them over 300 million Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2012 #44

+1000 (n/t) derby378 Feb 2012 #69

I think this Court filing may be a bit of legal jujitsu. Viva_Daddy Feb 2012 #29

You are ignoring the power of the insurance industry Motown_Johnny Feb 2012 #79

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2012 #16

The Republics will counter with "The NHS took out the British economy!" DCKit Feb 2012 #19

Plus they aren't a small island country that still has a military more suitable Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2012 #45

The very best thing that can happen for the future of the Democratic Party... bvar22 Feb 2012 #35

You are exactly right. Better Believe It Feb 2012 #37

best response in this thread.... mike_c Feb 2012 #38

+10,000 n/t eridani Feb 2012 #40

Very well explained, but I fear that the die-hards in the party are blind to reality Dragonfli Feb 2012 #41

I suspect that's the reason that Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2012 #43

I am continually sirprised at the amount of Americans... bvar22 Feb 2012 #46

Fifty Doctors in Support of Single Payer File Amicus Brief Against Individual Mandate Better Believe It Feb 2012 #47

my thanks to these doctors. nt xchrom Feb 2012 #54

This lead post doesn't appear on the front page because the number of recommends is irrelevant Better Believe It Feb 2012 #55

This message was self-deleted by its author Dragonfli Feb 2012 #56

That worries me. bvar22 Feb 2012 #57

Maybe it's because you posted it. Quantess Feb 2012 #58

Why would that be a factor? Better Believe It Feb 2012 #59

Uh oh. I pulled something out of thin air again. Quantess Feb 2012 #61

Damn these doctors! Why didn't they make massive campaign contributions... joeybee12 Feb 2012 #62

Awesome! K&R Edweird Feb 2012 #65

Forcing people to buy crappy overpriced insurance. Who thought that one up? limpyhobbler Feb 2012 #67

Striking down the mandate would postpone single payer by a decade or two. gulliver Feb 2012 #70

Precisely. This is just bemoaning from people who aren't getting what they want now. joshcryer Feb 2012 #72

You're right. Just more whining from the 99% who don't appreciate corporations and Wall Street Better Believe It Feb 2012 #78

We are on the tack for Single Payer? bvar22 Feb 2012 #74

Really? That's your argument? girl gone mad Feb 2012 #76

Forcing millions to buy an insurance industry policy will postpone single payer by at least 20 years Better Believe It Feb 2012 #77