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truedelphi

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133. Uh, if it is as you say, please say MORE.

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 06:42 PM

Jun 2013

Like just how does the small to mid business owner make sure there is no back door?

Gone are the days when people send off for kits by which to build their own machines. The average business person buys from MicroSoft, and even if not from MicroSoft, how do you get a Mother Board that is not Intel (Intel = CIA. Worked for them, know it to be true!)

I carefully researched my anti virus software company. I paid a bit more, but hey - at least I would be free from the NSA people. (Made this decision some months ago.)

And guess what? Ninety days ago, That company was obtained for Big Bucks by Norton. Don't know how aware you are of Norton, but their motto could well be:
"We are so incompetent at finding viruses and trojan horses, we might not be NSA connected, but then again, maybe we are."

So please tell us more. I would love to know how to not be spied on. Also, pls note, the PTB just released a statement that encryption tells them that we are the ones to be spied on! So encrypting is only a red flag to help the NSA know where you, their problem child, are!

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Holy. Fucking. Shit. The candle flickers... (NSA) [View all] hootinholler Jun 2013 OP

Of course they are. They are building this data base for their use in their own Cleita Jun 2013 #1

Well, thank God the security apparatus isn't tied with private sector businesses. napoleon_in_rags Jun 2013 #130

Very Glad To See The Neurons Firing - The Trouble Is That None Really Know How Pervasive This Is cantbeserious Jun 2013 #2

The Contractors worry me. hootinholler Jun 2013 #6

Exactly KT2000 Jun 2013 #65

It might also explain why none of the banksters went to jail. n/t hootinholler Jun 2013 #67

They are AEI and the Carlyle Group... go west young man Jun 2013 #96

And What Happens when a Contractor gets hacked? paparush Jun 2013 #114

Part of the BFEE, no less Demeter Jun 2013 #117

Did you ever? Why? leveymg Jun 2013 #8

I joined the Navy at 17 hootinholler Jun 2013 #11

Hey. Glad you didn't accept any assignments up river. leveymg Jun 2013 #23

Post 'Nam hootinholler Jun 2013 #29

No matter how paranoid or conspiracy-minded you are... alterfurz Jun 2013 #105

Are they trafficking insider information? Sorry, that's classified. nt Xipe Totec Jun 2013 #3

Don't forget, it's PRIVATE CONTRACTORS doing the surveillance for the NSA. scarletwoman Jun 2013 #4

Absolutely! hootinholler Jun 2013 #9

Oh, I've been here - scarletwoman Jun 2013 #18

ROFL hootinholler Jun 2013 #20

I guess I am, too. I didn't see that you rec'd it! scarletwoman Jun 2013 #32

Heard that, too. MrMickeysMom Jun 2013 #15

You caught that too. So much for PGP. Encryption just buys a ticket to attention by an NSA bot, . leveymg Jun 2013 #5

Yes. This is very important. cui bono Jun 2013 #122

So, you're a racist? TransitJohn Jun 2013 #7

Showing some real class Progressive dog Jun 2013 #108

It's picking up on the notion that any criticism of the administration is born in racism hootinholler Jun 2013 #110

and a ratfucker Doctor_J Jun 2013 #119

And NSA hires a lot of private contractors. hay rick Jun 2013 #10

Well, our friends in Congress Ilsa Jun 2013 #13

A revolving door pscot Jun 2013 #28

Yup...but, there s a bright side nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #12

Lesson to learn: Use strong encryption. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #14

The bean counters won't invest that in thier infrastructure hootinholler Jun 2013 #16

Catch 22 nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #17

Are you better funded than NSA? Didn't think so. leveymg Jun 2013 #19

It's this thing called math. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #27

So much faith in defeating the experts. So many choices in ways to do that. leveymg Jun 2013 #41

I've learned from a few experts myself. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #44

Should we really have to go to these lengths LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #78

It's obscene that we have to contemplate it. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #83

"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people." LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #87

Nope, they could never crack it in a million years. JoeyT Jun 2013 #51

Ah. Rubber hose cryptography, as it's known in crypto circles... backscatter712 Jun 2013 #56

How many algorithms once thought strong were later not found to be... PoliticAverse Jun 2013 #102

Can they store it for 10 years? AtheistCrusader Jun 2013 #113

It can take millions of years of compute time to crack really strong encryption. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #115

Have you seen the specialized hardware that has developed in the public space for bitcoin mining? AtheistCrusader Jun 2013 #116

Unless there are some ungodly breakthroughs in math, near approaching P = NP, you're flat out wrong ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2013 #123

Whatever helps you sleep better at night. AtheistCrusader Jun 2013 #127

Actually, I don't worry about being "snooped on". My point was math. ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2013 #128

duh ellennelle Jun 2013 #21

Can we say the F-word now? MNBrewer Jun 2013 #22

Always have been able to. hootinholler Jun 2013 #25

I'm *guessing* MNBrewer meant Fascism yodermon Jun 2013 #111

I have been saying F words for some time. truedelphi Jun 2013 #134

I'm sure they probably do Aerows Jun 2013 #24

How would they have a CIsco backdoor? Recursion Jun 2013 #26

Because I have seen some IT magicks in my day hootinholler Jun 2013 #35

Because you can see the traffic that comes in and out of it. Recursion Jun 2013 #38

As reported by whom? hootinholler Jun 2013 #43

As reported by the router I built Recursion Jun 2013 #46

By the time it hits your router, it's already encrypted with Cisco's encryption hootinholler Jun 2013 #55

Take a step back Recursion Jun 2013 #62

It doesn't have to phone home hootinholler Jun 2013 #63

"You can't trust code that you did not totally create yourself" PoliticAverse Jun 2013 #103

Thanks for that hootinholler Jun 2013 #109

It's called CALEA-compliant switches. Google it. Not a national defense secret - mandatory since '95 leveymg Jun 2013 #42

Nope. That doesn't mean what you think it does. Recursion Jun 2013 #45

Your LAN is connected to an ISP, isn't it? leveymg Jun 2013 #53

Yep. And they don't have my encryption key for my VPN Recursion Jun 2013 #54

Who are you talking to inside that hermetically sealed network? leveymg Jun 2013 #58

Huh? It's not crazy to build a router Recursion Jun 2013 #60

Not at all. I've set up enough IP addresses & threaded ethernet cable through ceilings to know leveymg Jun 2013 #73

What "defeat?" Recursion Jun 2013 #77

kr HiPointDem Jun 2013 #30

Are you british? darkangel218 Jun 2013 #31

Actually, no. hootinholler Jun 2013 #139

I like it too. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #140

Yes. That's the problem. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #33

I thought it was obvious lol. By any means possible is how they operate. The Chinese are with you. Catherina Jun 2013 #34

LOL Thus the Candle Flickers comment... hootinholler Jun 2013 #37

Right after posting that Catherina Jun 2013 #50

I have a pretty good foundation on the tech side hootinholler Jun 2013 #61

Did you see that article where China mentioned our "sanctimonious mask"? Read this lol. The irony! Catherina Jun 2013 #66

Yeah, it's pretty thick hootinholler Jun 2013 #69

! Lol! n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #71

I wonder how many accounts have been banned on DU over the years for spouting this 'alleged' Purveyor Jun 2013 #36

I think there's often a kernel of truth to a lot of CTs Jarla Jun 2013 #72

One has to wonder if it isn't by design? eom Purveyor Jun 2013 #74

Indeed Jarla Jun 2013 #82

This hit me a few years back Ruby the Liberal Jun 2013 #39

Everybody better log off right now if you know what's good for you railsback Jun 2013 #40

That matters not hootinholler Jun 2013 #48

Just imagine what Mittens could have done with all this information. grasswire Jun 2013 #47

Wall Street and MIComplex meets NAZIs, Mafia, Eugenicists, Big Oil, Banksters... Octafish Jun 2013 #49

You always bring it big hootinholler Jun 2013 #76

Ultra Inside Traitors, er, Traders Octafish Jun 2013 #91

DMCA violation? mwooldri Jun 2013 #52

Anybody ever buy a stamp? BigMike63 Jun 2013 #57

That's the best-kept secret. S-h-h-h - what are you, some kind of leaker? leveymg Jun 2013 #59

I've been wondering about that as well suffragette Jun 2013 #64

ding ding ding we have a winner VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #68

After the end of the Cold War GHWB shifted the focus from military to economic spying. alfredo Jun 2013 #70

Anything that can be misused sooner or later will be misused Yo_Mama Jun 2013 #75

Oh yes! Turbineguy Jun 2013 #79

What fucking planet are you posting from? hootinholler Jun 2013 #85

Now that is funny but so close to Progressive dog Jun 2013 #124

The NDAA 2014 allows for analysis of stored metadata. Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #80

This might need to be an OP siligut Jun 2013 #97

It already is. We've been keeping it kicked for six days with less than 300 views. Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #98

Maybe it needs a catchier subline? siligut Jun 2013 #107

Battlestar Galactica predicted this thesquanderer Jun 2013 #81

K&R DeSwiss Jun 2013 #84

Recommend...personal experience is worth getting out there to the rest of us. KoKo Jun 2013 #86

And that is why Romney adieu Jun 2013 #88

"{W}e forgot that the question is NOT, how do we get good people into power. . . . snot Jun 2013 #125

Very interesting observation... tex-wyo-dem Jun 2013 #89

Just "look forward" and don't prosecute anyone, LOL Corruption Inc Jun 2013 #90

Encryption has become quite popular cprise Jun 2013 #92

And they decriminalized their own insider trading as well. n/t mhatrw Jun 2013 #93

+ 1,000,000,000 Yes!!! avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #94

Another thought... blackspade Jun 2013 #95

I said this three days ago. xtraxritical Jun 2013 #99

Have you seen this article before? ReRe Jun 2013 #100

How about Bain Capital harvesting this data for profit? midnight Jun 2013 #101

K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #104

That's why we encrypt everything, even internal. TrogL Jun 2013 #106

LOL Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #129

And if not now, in a few years, brute force decryption will become easy. AtheistCrusader Jun 2013 #112

Very good tavalon Jun 2013 #118

Sort of during coffee hootinholler Jun 2013 #120

And there's more. sofa king Jun 2013 #121

I was going to see if you scooped infowars and the Paulite sites Progressive dog Jun 2013 #126

I have wondered all along what sense this program meant in terms of 'finding a number' etc sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #131

If corporations are in control, then NO, there is no backdoor into Cisco. aquart Jun 2013 #132

Uh, if it is as you say, please say MORE. truedelphi Jun 2013 #133

Fair enough hootinholler Jun 2013 #137

But the NSA and the Federal Government held up the release of open key encription.... Mustellus Jun 2013 #135

Actually its much worse then just that. Think about any company in EU who out-fucking-sourced their idwiyo Jun 2013 #136

Huge K&R for a critically important post. woo me with science Jun 2013 #138