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14. Do you hold the same standard for everyone who is on trial?

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 08:58 PM

Jun 2013

Am I going to see you on here defending Ariel Castro? He is pleading not guilty too, are you going to insist that no one calls him a kidnapper and rapist until his trial is complete and a verdict is reached? I am sure you are totally consistent on this principle and I can expect to see you lecturing the people who call Ariel Castro a rapist, after all if this is a principled position you are taking you should be making sure that no one speaks an opinion on what Castro did until months in the future after his trial is complete, right? I suspect we won't see you in any Castro threads however because I suspect you are holding many others to a totally different standard than you hold the racist murderer George Zimmerman. Prove me wrong, go start an OP telling people it is wrong to judge Ariel Castro until the trial is complete, make sure to make it clear to people that you do not approve of them calling him a rapist until the trial is over. If you do that I will apologize for judging you as a hypocrite, if you are not willing to do that I will assume you are not as principled as you pretend to be.

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Trayon Martin yelling for help, that is another clincher [View all] quinnox Jun 2013 OP

TM or Z yelling btdt64 Jun 2013 #1

right. and total bullshit quinnox Jun 2013 #2

She even said in the trial herself she didn't know who it was screaming Travis_0004 Jun 2013 #35

It's probably pretty easy to tell the difference between a Merlot Jun 2013 #57

Really? Where the fuck did you get that racist shit from? Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #69

Where in my post did I mention race? I only mentioned AGE. Merlot Jun 2013 #71

You did! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #73

I think s/he is just being literal as in Maximumnegro Jun 2013 #77

Is that right? O.K., I wonder what I sounded like when I was a black, 17 year old kid? Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #79

Bullshit, defend the racist murderer all you want but we can see the evidence Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #3

Yeah, let's skp this trial thing. Forget these witnesses. ksoze Jun 2013 #4

I never said anything about skipping a trial, I welcome this trial Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #6

Going to take a guess you get home early on jury duty days ksoze Jun 2013 #12

Do you hold the same standard for everyone who is on trial? Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #14

Ariel Castro? Is he on the witness list? ksoze Jun 2013 #18

If you were truly standing on principle you would hold the same standards to the Castro trial Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #21

Your fixation on an accused child molester is a bit strange ksoze Jun 2013 #22

I am not fixated on anyone, I am testing to see if your position is one of principle or hypocrisy Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #23

Reminder: There is no conviction that GZ is either a racist or murderer...yet. Honeycombe8 Jun 2013 #60

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I support truth. And facts. Cold, hard facts. That's where truth usu. lies. (pun intended)nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2013 #134

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skipping the trial is what gun humpers thought would be justice Skittles Jun 2013 #104

Remember, George Zimmerman said that Trayvon Martin was covering his mouth all american girl Jun 2013 #127

Interesting.... btdt64 Jun 2013 #15

Oh bullshit, don't think for a second that any sane person believes you are unbiased Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #19

I am biased! btdt64 Jun 2013 #24

If you haven't seen any evidence you have not been paying attention Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #25

ReallY? btdt64 Jun 2013 #31

Yes, his supporters do tend to be racist gun nuts. Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #34

News Flash....if you stand in defense of our Justice System, you are a racist gun nut! btdt64 Jun 2013 #65

I support a fair trial and he is getting a fair trial Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #68

9 Posts JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #103

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Stop right there JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #116

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Bye bye JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #129

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"following a suspicious character through your private neighborhood" yellowcanine Jun 2013 #126

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Then go already. No one here actually gives a rip. Your moralizing is just tedious. yellowcanine Jun 2013 #135

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This message was self-deleted by its author uppityperson Jun 2013 #141

He's gone Rhiannon12866 Jun 2013 #142

Yay for Otto. I'll self delete his copied post to deny him satisfaction. uppityperson Jun 2013 #143

No, you help to put right what once went wrong! Rhiannon12866 Jun 2013 #144

+1,000 alittlelark Jun 2013 #95

Trayvon was not "wandering" through Zimmy's "private property". uppityperson Jun 2013 #55

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What the fuck? How the hell was T supposed to get back to his dad &girlfriend@ her house? uppityperson Jun 2013 #139

Trayvon had no Zimmerman DNA on his hands, right? So how can Zimmerman claim that Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #70

^^ This!^^ BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #107

For me personally, it ended for Zimmerman when he defied the 911 Dispatcher. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #120

The real world is not like CSI hack89 Jun 2013 #114

I've never watched CSI in my life. Not even one episode, so I can't relate. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #121

When a judge tells me that DNA transfer is rare hack89 Jun 2013 #122

Lets see... Just Saying Jun 2013 #87

What I've found, in my experience... Scootaloo Jun 2013 #67

So if someone breaks your nose and whacks your head on the sidewalk you will excuse them as minor dkf Jun 2013 #26

You believe the lies of a racist charged with perjury Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #28

I see a picture of a broken nose and cuts on the back of his head. dkf Jun 2013 #29

Yeah, and you are justifying murder based on a couple of tiny cuts to the back of his head Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #32

How many blows or how big does the wound to the head have to be.... Pelican Jun 2013 #33

Certainly more than a couple of scratches and a bloody nose Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #37

More than that after a bigot with a gun targeted unarmed kid. Hoyt Jun 2013 #62

Personally I get freaked out early. dkf Jun 2013 #36

When we are talking lethal force the bar needs to be set very high Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #40

You say it needs to be set high. What is the law in Florida? dkf Jun 2013 #42

The law in Florida is insanely stupid, but even their absurdly low standard was crossed by Zimmerman Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #43

As you undoubtedly know dpibel Jun 2013 #86

Don't most people feel they are reasonable? dkf Jun 2013 #91

Nothing to do with it dpibel Jun 2013 #99

I'm speaking of the jurors. dkf Jun 2013 #102

Ever been shot point blank in the chest? Rex Jun 2013 #112

I wouldn't kill him. Iggo Jun 2013 #59

Would you shoot and kill him? nt uppityperson Jun 2013 #66

Why are you making stuff up? Rex Jun 2013 #111

Enjoy your stay. Rex Jun 2013 #110

Doesn't the lack of DNA work both ways? If TM were defending himself, wouldn't he have DNA Honeycombe8 Jun 2013 #56

except that Zimmerman couldn't identify the point during his continuous yelling magical thyme Jun 2013 #5

So how'd he get the broken nose? dkf Jun 2013 #30

He didn't, afaik. Show me a doctor's report or x-ray saying it was broken. uppityperson Jun 2013 #45

Looks messed up to me. I'm sure we will get to it despite your denials of what your eyes must see. dkf Jun 2013 #46

Simply looking "messed up" does not mean it is broken any more than a furry dog is a cat. uppityperson Jun 2013 #47

Oops. Guess you missed that one. Kingofalldems Jun 2013 #51

His nose was never broken uponit7771 Jun 2013 #48

Then what is this? Court records show George Zimmerman had two black eyes, broken nose dkf Jun 2013 #54

our sloppy MSM, come on...haven't we had enough of them? The ME, EMT and FP never said the uponit7771 Jun 2013 #98

The call by Zimmerman suggests that he had no intention of letting that "fucking punk" get away Incitatus Jun 2013 #7

Regardless of voice pitch, a grown man sounds different when screaming than a teenager ecstatic Jun 2013 #8

My voice changed from ages 13-14 adric mutelovic Jun 2013 #11

So do you think it happens in that time frame with Raine Jun 2013 #16

Judge for yourself Just Saying Jun 2013 #88

The ear witness was a teacher seems reasonable Raine Jun 2013 #13

Fuck, how much do you trolls get paid to crawl out of the woodwork??? JaneyVee Jun 2013 #20

I bet they ragequit after Z is convicted of murder. Rex Jun 2013 #109

Let me ask you this: Th1onein Jun 2013 #27

ask away: btdt64 Jun 2013 #39

Nope, can't quite believe the second one. But nice try. Th1onein Jun 2013 #41

Never the less.... btdt64 Jun 2013 #52

I don't know about you, honey, but my opinion matters. Th1onein Jun 2013 #53

Well......Honey...... btdt64 Jun 2013 #85

Last night... madmom Jun 2013 #119

This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Jun 2013 #82

A gun pointed at me JimDandy Jun 2013 #83

"absence of visible physical injury to Trayvon, other than the fatal gun shot" yellowcanine Jun 2013 #105

'If it doesn't make sense, it probably isn't true.' Rex Jun 2013 #108

You know what is conclusive? Zimmerman's lies. mzmolly Jun 2013 #123

Did this witness previously say something different from what she said today? adric mutelovic Jun 2013 #9

I don''t know quinnox Jun 2013 #10

yes arely staircase Jun 2013 #17

I guess I give more credence to the eye witnesses than to this ear witness. Vattel Jun 2013 #38

The position of the two is irrelevant to the screaming. JimDandy Jun 2013 #58

Except that the closest eyewitness identified Martin on top and throwing punches. Vattel Jun 2013 #61

That witness hasn't testified yet, JimDandy Jun 2013 #63

He still says Zimmerman was on his back getting punches thrown at him. Vattel Jun 2013 #72

Regarding TM striking"resembling mma", did you know Zimmy was actually trained in mma? Makes one go uppityperson Jun 2013 #84

Really? So it was Zimmerman on top throwing punches? Vattel Jun 2013 #93

I did not say that. I said Zimmy was the one trained in MMA. And that casts doubt in my mind uppityperson Jun 2013 #100

I am glad you concede that Martin may have been on top throwing punches. Vattel Jun 2013 #113

Are you saying he has said that JimDandy Jun 2013 #89

You can do your own research about the witness. Vattel Jun 2013 #94

You made the claim...you provide the name. JimDandy Jun 2013 #97

http://trayvon.axiomamnesia.com/people/witnesses/witness-6-files-trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-cas Vattel Jun 2013 #117

Too bad the link is not complete. Put it in the body of the reply and use the whole address uppityperson Jun 2013 #132

sorry, here it is Vattel Jun 2013 #147

I am glad to see someone else address the fact that Z was trained in MMA. It makes me wonder uppityperson Jun 2013 #101

Do you know the name of that witness? JimDandy Jun 2013 #106

Everyone I know who has heard the screams JimDandy Jun 2013 #44

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2013 #49

I am more than willing to let this thing play out angrychair Jun 2013 #50

+1 same thought here!!!! lunasun Jun 2013 #64

The police did NOT tell him to stay in his car. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #76

Wow angrychair Jun 2013 #81

No larger point. I am a stickler for accuracy. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #92

Fair angrychair Jun 2013 #131

Why do you assume that Zimmerman confronted Martin? Vattel Jun 2013 #96

Are you saying you believe Zimmerman just because he said so? Dawgs Jun 2013 #118

I don't assume that what he is saying is true or false. Vattel Jun 2013 #145

Regardless of who confronted who ... Zimmy was stalking Martin Myrina Jun 2013 #124

I have been followed because I was judged suspicious. Vattel Jun 2013 #146

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Please do not post offensive websites on DU. No need to give them more traffic. Thank you. uppityperson Jun 2013 #78

funny how everybody has a "clincher" in this case grok Jun 2013 #75

I'm sure the Court looks forward to your deposition. flvegan Jun 2013 #80

Ummm, Quinnox, like the rest of us, JimDandy Jun 2013 #90