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62. Spying on people who are suspicious yes...all of us? HELL NO.

Reply to Vietnameravet (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 09:47 PM

Jun 2013

We can't give those rights up even if we wanted to. It's in the constitution.

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I am sick and tired of seeing posts defending Snowden..so here is my side [View all] Vietnameravet Jun 2013 OP

We Will Have To Agree To Disagree cantbeserious Jun 2013 #1

Hecantbeserious ;-) ReRe Jun 2013 #86

Prepare for incoming! DCBob Jun 2013 #2

I agree and he must know he should not have taken the action he has if it was nit going Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #3

"And how many 'rights' will they have pnwmom Jun 2013 #4

"Rights aren't rights if someone can take them away." George Carlin tonybgood Jun 2013 #75

Rights can be taken away by force. That doesn't make them not rights. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #79

Thanks! Scurrilous Jun 2013 #5

You and everyone else are allowed your various opinions on this. truedelphi Jun 2013 #6

I wish I could recommend your post a million times! Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #30

+ a gazillion. nt Mojorabbit Jun 2013 #49

Yes! LibAsHell Jun 2013 #102

We will fight to the death to free our precious metadata! randome Jun 2013 #7

Are you aware that the metadata can be re-constituted? truedelphi Jun 2013 #12

Of course it CAN be reconstituted. Do you have any evidence the NSA is doing this? randome Jun 2013 #58

Maybe Snowden did. Or any one of the 600,000 people with his type of clearance. dkf Jun 2013 #63

Snowden was a Systems Administrator, not an Intelligence Analyst. randome Jun 2013 #83

Doesn't sound like they were all that discerning. dkf Jun 2013 #88

He should not have had access to what he stole, no doubt about that. randome Jun 2013 #91

Well nineteen50 Jun 2013 #106

No, I don't think that was his motive. randome Jun 2013 #110

America still has the nineteen50 Jun 2013 #119

Sysadmins have root access to system servers. wtmusic Jun 2013 #89

Then why didn't Snowden get something to validate his claims? randome Jun 2013 #93

He's already validated many of his claims, and we don't know what else he has. wtmusic Jun 2013 #99

He didn't validate anything. randome Jun 2013 #117

That must be why they're so unconcerned about apprehending him. wtmusic Jun 2013 #120

Oh, come on, when someone from the NSA skips town with what he says are thousands... randome Jun 2013 #125

I don't give a damn about Snowden. I care about the 4th Amendment. liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #8

Sigh. We didn't need any of this security apparatus in place to stop 9/11. Pale Blue Dot Jun 2013 #9

Well Stated ... Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #32

Excellent point. wtmusic Jun 2013 #101

He's not a hero, he's a martyr pipoman Jun 2013 #10

+ DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #56

If he is as low as you think he is Aerows Jun 2013 #11

I think he had just enough access to hack in to get those documents. DCBob Jun 2013 #15

But he was able to get to it Aerows Jun 2013 #17

Honestly, Aerows, I don't believe his boasts emulatorloo Jun 2013 #82

And while you are getting angry Aerows Jun 2013 #21

no doubt there is an issue with security clearances and access to classified documents. DCBob Jun 2013 #24

Both are huge Aerows Jun 2013 #26

There are two ways to deal with the problem of sneaky shit getting revealed. wtmusic Jun 2013 #122

Snowden isnt the issue. You are propagating the propaganda of the Corp-Media rhett o rick Jun 2013 #13

Couldn't have said it better.. pipoman Jun 2013 #19

You, Aerows, and pipoman ... Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #37

+1000000 a2liberal Jun 2013 #80

That sir... 99Forever Jun 2013 #128

It's a dirty job but somebody has to do it... kentuck Jun 2013 #14

Thank you for posting that. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #38

Love that. wtmusic Jun 2013 #107

Right, liberals who defend Snowden are just like the ones who defended Stalin quinnox Jun 2013 #16

I'm not a fan. Robb Jun 2013 #18

I see him as a narcissist KT2000 Jun 2013 #20

^^This!^^ BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #46

Make that three! nt mimi85 Jun 2013 #87

Make that four and a hand clap! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #123

Lets say you are right? naaman fletcher Jun 2013 #111

I'm sick of johnny-come-latelys feigning outrage whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #22

I was late to the party. You know why? I was 25 raising two kids under the age of 7 when the Patriot liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #23

I think the poster you are addressing agress with you Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #33

I think he/she is on your side and was responding to the opening post. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #41

you may be right now that I re-read it. Hard to tell sometimes, but I think you are right. liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #113

Too Bad. cynzke Jun 2013 #68

I agree - he is a sneaky coward elfin Jun 2013 #25

9/11 - could it have been stopped at the time or not? Pale Blue Dot Jun 2013 #45

Of course it could have been stopped eom elfin Jun 2013 #54

Thank you for responding. Very few have. Pale Blue Dot Jun 2013 #55

9/11 could have been stopped without this BS. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #59

BUSH didn't act. Pale Blue Dot Jun 2013 #60

Agreed Coccydynia Jun 2013 #61

They had a ton of data and did not use it. It isnt about the data. Cheney wanted the attack. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #121

I missed the mountain of details nineteen50 Jun 2013 #118

Here's a clue: Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #27

You should check out the smilies table MNBrewer Jun 2013 #28

I'm not really interested in the pin up part of the story. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #29

your post was righteous, truly. grasswire Jun 2013 #35

Good post, but it looks like you pissed into someone's cornflakes. :) Jury vote: 1-5 to LEAVE. idwiyo Jun 2013 #96

Juror #6 provided some words for the alerter which are worth repeating: AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #115

how many posts will you post on the same subject if you are so sick and tired of it? xiamiam Jun 2013 #31

They're are all part of the same club, nothing to do with us . orpupilofnature57 Jun 2013 #39

It's being lied to, and speeding up ALL of the apparatus of a ... orpupilofnature57 Jun 2013 #34

it wasn't his right, and it wasn't his job... grasswire Jun 2013 #36

Boom, goes the dynamite! Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #42

thankye, thankye grasswire Jun 2013 #44

"... deepest secrets of the National Security Agency, ..." GeorgeGist Jun 2013 #40

Some of your arguments carry weight jimlup Jun 2013 #43

yeah, it coulda been Mitt! nt grasswire Jun 2013 #47

I am sick of defending a country that kills and plunders for the wealthy The Straight Story Jun 2013 #48

agree..... madrchsod Jun 2013 #50

Who is defending the footnote? nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #51

Wow. Throw out civil disobedience. Ok. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #52

Did Snowden take off with your hide thread and ignore buttons? n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #53

HA! Le Taz Hot Jun 2013 #100

Notice how their problem with the 4th Amendment always bleeds into the 1st? Catherina Jun 2013 #116

That would be going too far. wtmusic Jun 2013 #108

Thanks for sharing flamingdem Jun 2013 #57

Spying on people who are suspicious yes...all of us? HELL NO. dkf Jun 2013 #62

So you believe the cause of liberalism and the Democratic party is entwined with a security state. pa28 Jun 2013 #64

YOU. ARE. MISSING. THE. POINT. Th1onein Jun 2013 #65

A lot of people here don't take national security seriously enough BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #66

A lot of people here take U.S. propaganda far too seriously wtmusic Jun 2013 #78

Yeah, I read your post below BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #85

+1000 Narkos Jun 2013 #67

Screw the NSA. another_liberal Jun 2013 #69

I'm sick and tired of this silly legalistic argument. Daemonaquila Jun 2013 #70

Spying on Americans Dyedinthewoolliberal Jun 2013 #71

We can take the high road, or we can take the low road. wtmusic Jun 2013 #72

Yawn! Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #73

those that excessively villify him and those that support his actions stupidicus Jun 2013 #74

He didn't betray anyone; he just let us know what's been going on. alarimer Jun 2013 #76

Snowden is a 'working class hero,' to quote a song from a by-gone age that HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #77

why the [feigned?] surprise? paland99 Jun 2013 #81

Who cares if it wasn't his job. Apophis Jun 2013 #84

Thank you. shenmue Jun 2013 #90

K/R CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #92

This is kind of over the top I think. emulatorloo Jun 2013 #94

Your side is "Anti-Spying" = "Anti-Background Checks". Bonobo Jun 2013 #95

WOW. Did you really just feed us the terrorist argument? LibAsHell Jun 2013 #97

What are the nineteen50 Jun 2013 #98

what if, what if, what if azureblue Jun 2013 #103

Screw this drivel! The dude did what as right! No ifs, ands, or buts! Roland99 Jun 2013 #104

cool story, bro frylock Jun 2013 #105

Congrats naaman fletcher Jun 2013 #109

The beginning of your second paragraph is hilarious... cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #112

+1 wtmusic Jun 2013 #114

I'm sorry, I will never agree with you on this Marrah_G Jun 2013 #124

I can't defend Snowden because I think he is kind of a dick for traveling to China and Russia Herlong Jun 2013 #126

I just don't buy that all this snooping targets who the gov't says. tblue Jun 2013 #127