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randome

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117. He didn't validate anything.

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 10:55 PM

Jun 2013

He showed us the legal warrant for the metadata, which we already knew about.
He showed us that the NSA spies on other countries, which we already knew about.

He said he could personally capture the President's email. Why didn't he grab something to prove it?

He said the NSA has 'direct access' to the world's Internet providers. All the companies involved say that's bullshit.

He said the NSA is downloading the Internet on a daily basis. Evidence? No.

He said he "saw things" but he's never said what he saw.

So most of his claims are not validated. Not to me. I don't have 100% trust in any agency but I'm not going to get hot and bothered about something without evidence first.

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I am sick and tired of seeing posts defending Snowden..so here is my side [View all] Vietnameravet Jun 2013 OP

We Will Have To Agree To Disagree cantbeserious Jun 2013 #1

Hecantbeserious ;-) ReRe Jun 2013 #86

Prepare for incoming! DCBob Jun 2013 #2

I agree and he must know he should not have taken the action he has if it was nit going Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #3

"And how many 'rights' will they have pnwmom Jun 2013 #4

"Rights aren't rights if someone can take them away." George Carlin tonybgood Jun 2013 #75

Rights can be taken away by force. That doesn't make them not rights. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #79

Thanks! Scurrilous Jun 2013 #5

You and everyone else are allowed your various opinions on this. truedelphi Jun 2013 #6

I wish I could recommend your post a million times! Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #30

+ a gazillion. nt Mojorabbit Jun 2013 #49

Yes! LibAsHell Jun 2013 #102

We will fight to the death to free our precious metadata! randome Jun 2013 #7

Are you aware that the metadata can be re-constituted? truedelphi Jun 2013 #12

Of course it CAN be reconstituted. Do you have any evidence the NSA is doing this? randome Jun 2013 #58

Maybe Snowden did. Or any one of the 600,000 people with his type of clearance. dkf Jun 2013 #63

Snowden was a Systems Administrator, not an Intelligence Analyst. randome Jun 2013 #83

Doesn't sound like they were all that discerning. dkf Jun 2013 #88

He should not have had access to what he stole, no doubt about that. randome Jun 2013 #91

Well nineteen50 Jun 2013 #106

No, I don't think that was his motive. randome Jun 2013 #110

America still has the nineteen50 Jun 2013 #119

Sysadmins have root access to system servers. wtmusic Jun 2013 #89

Then why didn't Snowden get something to validate his claims? randome Jun 2013 #93

He's already validated many of his claims, and we don't know what else he has. wtmusic Jun 2013 #99

He didn't validate anything. randome Jun 2013 #117

That must be why they're so unconcerned about apprehending him. wtmusic Jun 2013 #120

Oh, come on, when someone from the NSA skips town with what he says are thousands... randome Jun 2013 #125

I don't give a damn about Snowden. I care about the 4th Amendment. liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #8

Sigh. We didn't need any of this security apparatus in place to stop 9/11. Pale Blue Dot Jun 2013 #9

Well Stated ... Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #32

Excellent point. wtmusic Jun 2013 #101

He's not a hero, he's a martyr pipoman Jun 2013 #10

+ DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #56

If he is as low as you think he is Aerows Jun 2013 #11

I think he had just enough access to hack in to get those documents. DCBob Jun 2013 #15

But he was able to get to it Aerows Jun 2013 #17

Honestly, Aerows, I don't believe his boasts emulatorloo Jun 2013 #82

And while you are getting angry Aerows Jun 2013 #21

no doubt there is an issue with security clearances and access to classified documents. DCBob Jun 2013 #24

Both are huge Aerows Jun 2013 #26

There are two ways to deal with the problem of sneaky shit getting revealed. wtmusic Jun 2013 #122

Snowden isnt the issue. You are propagating the propaganda of the Corp-Media rhett o rick Jun 2013 #13

Couldn't have said it better.. pipoman Jun 2013 #19

You, Aerows, and pipoman ... Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #37

+1000000 a2liberal Jun 2013 #80

That sir... 99Forever Jun 2013 #128

It's a dirty job but somebody has to do it... kentuck Jun 2013 #14

Thank you for posting that. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #38

Love that. wtmusic Jun 2013 #107

Right, liberals who defend Snowden are just like the ones who defended Stalin quinnox Jun 2013 #16

I'm not a fan. Robb Jun 2013 #18

I see him as a narcissist KT2000 Jun 2013 #20

^^This!^^ BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #46

Make that three! nt mimi85 Jun 2013 #87

Make that four and a hand clap! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #123

Lets say you are right? naaman fletcher Jun 2013 #111

I'm sick of johnny-come-latelys feigning outrage whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #22

I was late to the party. You know why? I was 25 raising two kids under the age of 7 when the Patriot liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #23

I think the poster you are addressing agress with you Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #33

I think he/she is on your side and was responding to the opening post. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #41

you may be right now that I re-read it. Hard to tell sometimes, but I think you are right. liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #113

Too Bad. cynzke Jun 2013 #68

I agree - he is a sneaky coward elfin Jun 2013 #25

9/11 - could it have been stopped at the time or not? Pale Blue Dot Jun 2013 #45

Of course it could have been stopped eom elfin Jun 2013 #54

Thank you for responding. Very few have. Pale Blue Dot Jun 2013 #55

9/11 could have been stopped without this BS. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #59

BUSH didn't act. Pale Blue Dot Jun 2013 #60

Agreed Coccydynia Jun 2013 #61

They had a ton of data and did not use it. It isnt about the data. Cheney wanted the attack. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #121

I missed the mountain of details nineteen50 Jun 2013 #118

Here's a clue: Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #27

You should check out the smilies table MNBrewer Jun 2013 #28

I'm not really interested in the pin up part of the story. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #29

your post was righteous, truly. grasswire Jun 2013 #35

Good post, but it looks like you pissed into someone's cornflakes. :) Jury vote: 1-5 to LEAVE. idwiyo Jun 2013 #96

Juror #6 provided some words for the alerter which are worth repeating: AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #115

how many posts will you post on the same subject if you are so sick and tired of it? xiamiam Jun 2013 #31

They're are all part of the same club, nothing to do with us . orpupilofnature57 Jun 2013 #39

It's being lied to, and speeding up ALL of the apparatus of a ... orpupilofnature57 Jun 2013 #34

it wasn't his right, and it wasn't his job... grasswire Jun 2013 #36

Boom, goes the dynamite! Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #42

thankye, thankye grasswire Jun 2013 #44

"... deepest secrets of the National Security Agency, ..." GeorgeGist Jun 2013 #40

Some of your arguments carry weight jimlup Jun 2013 #43

yeah, it coulda been Mitt! nt grasswire Jun 2013 #47

I am sick of defending a country that kills and plunders for the wealthy The Straight Story Jun 2013 #48

agree..... madrchsod Jun 2013 #50

Who is defending the footnote? nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #51

Wow. Throw out civil disobedience. Ok. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #52

Did Snowden take off with your hide thread and ignore buttons? n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #53

HA! Le Taz Hot Jun 2013 #100

Notice how their problem with the 4th Amendment always bleeds into the 1st? Catherina Jun 2013 #116

That would be going too far. wtmusic Jun 2013 #108

Thanks for sharing flamingdem Jun 2013 #57

Spying on people who are suspicious yes...all of us? HELL NO. dkf Jun 2013 #62

So you believe the cause of liberalism and the Democratic party is entwined with a security state. pa28 Jun 2013 #64

YOU. ARE. MISSING. THE. POINT. Th1onein Jun 2013 #65

A lot of people here don't take national security seriously enough BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #66

A lot of people here take U.S. propaganda far too seriously wtmusic Jun 2013 #78

Yeah, I read your post below BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #85

+1000 Narkos Jun 2013 #67

Screw the NSA. another_liberal Jun 2013 #69

I'm sick and tired of this silly legalistic argument. Daemonaquila Jun 2013 #70

Spying on Americans Dyedinthewoolliberal Jun 2013 #71

We can take the high road, or we can take the low road. wtmusic Jun 2013 #72

Yawn! Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #73

those that excessively villify him and those that support his actions stupidicus Jun 2013 #74

He didn't betray anyone; he just let us know what's been going on. alarimer Jun 2013 #76

Snowden is a 'working class hero,' to quote a song from a by-gone age that HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #77

why the [feigned?] surprise? paland99 Jun 2013 #81

Who cares if it wasn't his job. Apophis Jun 2013 #84

Thank you. shenmue Jun 2013 #90

K/R CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #92

This is kind of over the top I think. emulatorloo Jun 2013 #94

Your side is "Anti-Spying" = "Anti-Background Checks". Bonobo Jun 2013 #95

WOW. Did you really just feed us the terrorist argument? LibAsHell Jun 2013 #97

What are the nineteen50 Jun 2013 #98

what if, what if, what if azureblue Jun 2013 #103

Screw this drivel! The dude did what as right! No ifs, ands, or buts! Roland99 Jun 2013 #104

cool story, bro frylock Jun 2013 #105

Congrats naaman fletcher Jun 2013 #109

The beginning of your second paragraph is hilarious... cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #112

+1 wtmusic Jun 2013 #114

I'm sorry, I will never agree with you on this Marrah_G Jun 2013 #124

I can't defend Snowden because I think he is kind of a dick for traveling to China and Russia Herlong Jun 2013 #126

I just don't buy that all this snooping targets who the gov't says. tblue Jun 2013 #127