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Hissyspit

(45,790 posts)
80. Well, maybe you shouldn't be bitter about her.
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 12:02 AM
Jun 2013

Here's the true story:

http://janefonda.com/the-truth-about-my-trip-to-hanoi

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It wasn’t until I began to meet American servicemen who had been in Vietnam and had come to Paris as resisters that I realized I needed to learn more. I took every chance I could to meet with U.S. soldiers. I talked with them and read the books they gave me about the war. I decided I needed to return to my country and join with them—active duty soldiers and Vietnam Veterans in particular—to try and end the war. I drove around the country visiting military bases, spending time in the G.I. Coffee houses that had sprung up outside many bases –places where G.I.s could gather. I met with Army psychiatrists who were concerned about the type of training our men were receiving…quite different, they said, from the trainings during WWII and Korea. The doctors felt this training was having a damaging effect on the psyches of the young men, effects they might not recover from. I raised money and hired a former Green Beret, Donald Duncan, to open and run the G.I. Office in Washington D.C. to try and get legal and congressional help for soldiers who were being denied their rights under the Uniform Code of Military Justice. I talked for hours with U.S. pilots about their training, and what they were told about Vietnam. I met with the wives of servicemen. I visited V.A. hospitals. Later in 1978, wanting to share with other Americans some of what I had learned about the experiences of returning soldiers and their families, I made the movie Coming Home. I was the one who would be asked to speak at large anti-war rallies to tell people that the men in uniform were not the enemy, that they did not start the war, that they were, in growing numbers our allies. I knew as much about military law as any layperson. I knew more than most civilians about the realities on the ground for men in combat. I lived and breathed this stuff for two years before I went to North Vietnam. I cared deeply for the men and boys who had been put in harms way. I wanted to stop the killing and bring our servicemen home. I was infuriated as I learned just how much our soldiers were being lied to about why we were fighting in Vietnam and I was anguished each time I would be with a young man who was traumatized by his experiences. Some boys shook constantly and were unable to speak above a whisper.

It is unconscionable that extremist groups circulate letters which accuse me of horrific things, saying that I am a traitor, that POWs in Hanoi were tied up and in chains and marched passed me while I spat at them and called them ‘baby killers. These letters also say that when the POWs were brought into the room for a meeting I had with them, we shook hands and they passed me tiny slips of paper on which they had written their social security numbers. Supposedly, this was so that I could bring back proof to the U.S. military that they were alive. The story goes on to say that I handed these slips of paper over to the North Vietnamese guards and, as a result, at least one of the men was tortured to death. That these stories could be given credence shows how little people know of the realities in North Vietnam prisons at the time. The U.S. government and the POW families didn’t need me to tell them who the prisoners were. They had all their names. Moreover, according to even the most hardcore senior officers, torture stopped late in 1969, two and a half years before I got there. And, most importantly, I would never say such things to our servicemen, whom I respect, whether or not I agree with the mission they have been sent to perform, which is not of their choosing.

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But these lies have circulated for almost forty years, continually reopening the wound of the Vietnam War and causing pain to families of American servicemen. The lies distort the truth of why I went to North Vietnam and they perpetuate the myth that being anti-war means being anti-soldier.

Little known is the fact that almost 300 Americans—journalists, diplomats, peace activists, professors, religious leaders and Vietnam Veterans themselves—had been traveling to North Vietnam over a number of years in an effort to try and find ways to end the war (By the way, those trips generated little if any media attention.) I brought with me to Hanoi a thick package of letters from families of POWs. Since 1969, mail for the POWs had been brought in and out of North Vietnam every month by American visitors. The Committee of Liaison With Families coordinated this effort. I took the letters to the POWs and brought a packet of letters from them back to their families.

The Photo of Me on the Gun Site.

There is one thing that happened while in North Vietnam that I will regret to my dying day— I allowed myself to be photographed on a Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun. I want to, once again, explain how that came about. I have talked about this numerous times on national television and in my memoirs, My Life So Far, but clearly, it needs to be repeated.

MUCH MORE AT LINK

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Not sure of your point shenmue Jun 2013 #1
I loved her in 9 to 5! hrmjustin Jun 2013 #2
False choice, Kentuck. People that are democrats accept that they are americans at bluestate10 Jun 2013 #3
But are they really the same? kentuck Jun 2013 #4
Americans who saw themselves as Americans owned slaves... Moonwalk Jun 2013 #24
That is your exaggerated opinion treestar Jun 2013 #91
So you just started the OP HappyMe Jun 2013 #114
Here's a bucket of water... kentuck Jun 2013 #115
Bless your heart, HappyMe Jun 2013 #116
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Right, if you're not an American, then you can't be a Democrat ... LisaLynne Jun 2013 #5
And you stepped straight into a couple of classic syllogystic errors. TheMadMonk Jun 2013 #108
I consider myself a Native Terran first! kentauros Jun 2013 #6
Neither! immoderate Jun 2013 #7
I consider myself a human being with principles...those principles are best met by various NRaleighLiberal Jun 2013 #8
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Human NoOneMan Jun 2013 #11
Republicans think that government is the problem. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2013 #12
Country of residence or member of a political party NightWatcher Jun 2013 #13
I'm an American first and foremost quinnox Jun 2013 #14
I remember Jane Fonda. cloudbase Jun 2013 #15
Yeah, premium Jun 2013 #49
Well, maybe you shouldn't be bitter about her. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #80
I'm sorry, premium Jun 2013 #87
I am a Citizen of the World first; an American second, and a Democrat third. Th1onein Jun 2013 #16
Harkens to Eugene Debs in 1915: HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #63
Debs is one of my heroes. So I take that as a compliment, HardTimes99! Th1onein Jun 2013 #72
It was definitely intended as such. My compliments! - nt HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #73
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My country is the world, and my religion is to do good. - Thomas Paine Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #19
Members of the Democratic Party ARE Americans. So what exactly is your point. madinmaryland Jun 2013 #20
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American. Now stop trying to be divisive. emulatorloo Jun 2013 #23
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I consider myself a resident of the earth first. former9thward Jun 2013 #28
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American. nt rrneck Jun 2013 #35
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I am a human of planet earth first. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #42
being a democrat isnt a significant part of my identity. being a liberal/progressive is La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2013 #43
I am an American first duh! rustydog Jun 2013 #45
I consider myself an American progressive premium Jun 2013 #46
They weren't a threat to the people in the US. ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #50
I know that premium Jun 2013 #53
If I was in the war, I would have likely developed ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #67
I hated her intensly for years, premium Jun 2013 #70
"American" and "Democrat" are not my favorite forms of tribalism. nt ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #47
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So fine why did you feel it necessary to respond to my opinion then? 4bucksagallon Jun 2013 #79
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I'll have to find it, premium Jun 2013 #93
Wiki... well would you like me to edit it so your quote appears there n/t 4bucksagallon Jun 2013 #94
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Thanks I have argued this before with Republicans........ 4bucksagallon Jun 2013 #98
I knew that photo was a fake, not a bad one, premium Jun 2013 #100
I, also, was over there in '68. kentuck Jun 2013 #83
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See post #80. nt Hissyspit Jun 2013 #81
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... Blue_In_AK Jun 2013 #95
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