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11. Maybe I'm being too literal

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 10:04 AM

Jun 2013

"A database of everyone" means exactly that. Every American would be in the database and considered a possible suspect

I don't think such a database exists or can exist. We have an entire Census Bureau dedicated to figuring out who lives in the country and they ultimately have to make guesses.

What the NSA does seem to have is a list of every phone number from certain carriers (but not others) and what phone numbers that number has called. It takes a further specific warrant to find out who that phone belongs to (and, for example, my phone is recorded as belonging to a "Chuck Ulysses Farley&quot

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How much are you willing to compromise with the NSA on national security? [View all] kentuck Jun 2013 OP

NFL WovenGems Jun 2013 #1

I have not followed closely. kentuck Jun 2013 #2

Glad to WovenGems Jun 2013 #6

You are talking about a suspected murderer. Are all Americans under suspicion of murder? sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #30

True WovenGems Jun 2013 #33

Agreed. Pholus Jun 2013 #3

"The people must have faith in their government." daleanime Jun 2013 #4

Your question rests on the premise that I am interested in compromise of any kind. sibelian Jun 2013 #5

Wow, you're giving the NSA more leeway than the NSA does. Recursion Jun 2013 #7

I disagree. kentuck Jun 2013 #9

Maybe I'm being too literal Recursion Jun 2013 #11

"By law" and "supposed to" are meaningless words. kentuck Jun 2013 #15

That's barely a third of the active phone numbers in the country Recursion Jun 2013 #19

By area code... kentuck Jun 2013 #24

GPS info isn't in trunk logs Recursion Jun 2013 #26

And neither is Facebook info... kentuck Jun 2013 #27

Actually it kinda is. RC Jun 2013 #46

OK, fair enough that tower info is (or at least can be) Recursion Jun 2013 #47

They know what town I live in when I mail in my Skidmore Jun 2013 #34

Random mail delivered randomly by this guy might set their minds at ease. randome Jun 2013 #36

Naw...naw...no need for facts!!! uponit7771 Jun 2013 #10

So you would not be willing to compromise as much as I? kentuck Jun 2013 #12

Speaking for myself, I would not accept that. An American calling overseas should not be listened to Recursion Jun 2013 #14

So you are not willing to compromise as much as I. kentuck Jun 2013 #17

Recursion articulated my position well, the NSA is doign what it supposed to do. I don't think ... uponit7771 Jun 2013 #16

We disagree. kentuck Jun 2013 #18

what information have the verified that they have. I'm not talking about our go to Iraq MSM uponit7771 Jun 2013 #20

??? kentuck Jun 2013 #22

They have verified that they have some information, I'd like to know...Snowden revieled something uponit7771 Jun 2013 #23

Most people had no idea of the marions ghost Jun 2013 #43

"Someone has to set limits with these folks." randome Jun 2013 #8

Yes, but apparently the Private Security Corporations, such as Booz Allen and the other over one sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #35

We don't know if contractors are involved in gathering or analyzing data. randome Jun 2013 #38

We know that many of them, such as Clapper eg, former CEO of Booz Allen, is now Director of sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #61

Consultants are hired all the time. It's happened to me a couple of times in the past. randome Jun 2013 #62

The are NOT just consultants. That's like calling Bush's Mercenaries 'contractors'. Clapper has a sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #63

Quite a bit, but there has to be meaningful oversight Yo_Mama Jun 2013 #13

Agree. kentuck Jun 2013 #21

More and more, human intelligence is becoming an oxymoron. RC Jun 2013 #48

... woo me with science Jun 2013 #25

Good argument. kentuck Jun 2013 #29

you ask that as though we had any choice markiv Jun 2013 #28

That's why so many folks are raising hell. kentuck Jun 2013 #31

The point wasn't to prosecute anyone treestar Jun 2013 #32

I don't think people are ready to make that trade-off. kentuck Jun 2013 #37

I was in the US in 2002-3 and that was not so treestar Jun 2013 #40

I'm not interested in compromising our civil rights.... mike_c Jun 2013 #39

You may be right, mike_c... kentuck Jun 2013 #41

the way I see this debate.... mike_c Jun 2013 #55

I'm not willing at all. Government is of the people, by the people, for the people, closeupready Jun 2013 #42

The NSA should be dismantled. The CIA should go too. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #44

I'm not at all convinced the destruction of my right to privacy whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #45

I will never trust this government again. Too many dirty deeds and lies and secrets. L0oniX Jun 2013 #49

So you're a "no" vote for universal healthcare, I take it? (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #53

^^^ this makes DU suck ^^^ mike_c Jun 2013 #57

Bullshit. He said he would "never trust this government again". I saw no exception for healthcare. Recursion Jun 2013 #59

A secret government, or a government of secrets, doesn't equal democrocy. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #50

My opinion doesnt matter. bunnies Jun 2013 #51

There is no need for the surveillance state. It exists solely for the benefit of corporations GoneOffShore Jun 2013 #52

I think fundamental rights of ALL persons should be protected, snot Jun 2013 #54

how adorable! You really think we get to choose? librechik Jun 2013 #56

I'm not willing to compromise. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #58

I am willing to change my position... kentuck Jun 2013 #60

No compromise. nt LWolf Jun 2013 #64