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randome

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26. It's still based on foreign communications. And it's metadata, not bulk collection of email.

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 02:10 PM

Jun 2013

According to a top-secret draft report by the NSA's inspector general – published for the first time today by the Guardian – the agency began "collection of bulk internet metadata" involving "communications with at least one communicant outside the United States or for which no communicant was known to be a citizen of the United States".

And I agree with what someone pointed out elsewhere: why doesn't the Guardian publish the documents instead of telling us their version of what the documents say? Like Snowden, they expect to be believed without furnishing evidence?

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NSA Collected US Email Records In Bulk For More Than Two Years Under Obama (w/Documents) - Guardian [View all] WillyT Jun 2013 OP

Well, we were told nobody was listening to our __Calls___! Pholus Jun 2013 #1

I personally think that ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #3

Bingo. And once transcribed it's easier to analyze in software. nt Pholus Jun 2013 #7

Absolutely. ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #14

Funny, i didn't even notice. nt kelliekat44 Jun 2013 #57

They are neither listening to calls nor reading emails. Recursion Jun 2013 #5

Awesome. Cause there is no harm that could come from misusing that. Pholus Jun 2013 #9

I can think of more harm from them misusing my medical records, but I want universal healthcare. Recursion Jun 2013 #12

Ummmm. Okay then. I'll just wait a while. nt Pholus Jun 2013 #13

Do you not worry for the future, though? Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #31

Then why are we for universal health care? Recursion Jun 2013 #32

What would he do with them, if we had an NHS? Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #35

Ah, you have nothing to hide, medically, so you aren't worried? Recursion Jun 2013 #36

And thus, a new talking point is born. Maedhros Jun 2013 #39

Not at all! I am honestly not trying to be obtuse. Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #41

All universal health care means is that everyone has health care and the government RC Jun 2013 #45

They keep a record of everything they pay for Recursion Jun 2013 #47

So you'd rather continue haveing the greedy, private, health insurance companies do the same thing? RC Jun 2013 #50

I'm not the one saying the govt can't be trusted Recursion Jun 2013 #52

You better watch out.. Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #48

Insidious.... Pholus Jun 2013 #53

July 20. Cleveland. Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #63

Section 1061 of the 2014 NDAA allows for analysis of previously collected data. Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #54

And I strongly oppose its passage (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #55

Excellent. However: NSA spying flap extends to contents of U.S. phone calls Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #58

of course they *can*. HHS *can* sell your info to Merck Recursion Jun 2013 #59

So, they still have all those emails, and will keep them 5 yrs, until 2015-6 under current rules? leveymg Jun 2013 #2

So the Obama administration reviewed, and then ended, this program. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #4

In 2011. Near the end of his first term. n/t Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #49

So? whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #6

So does my email provider. Program is history now. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #8

Which codename ended again? Pholus Jun 2013 #17

I'm all for both sides of this issue debating its necessity based on its merits and bringing it to a JaneyVee Jun 2013 #19

Metadata is the best indication of who you are. Pholus Jun 2013 #21

2006 Joe Biden agrees think Jun 2013 #22

Bookmarked. Thanks for that link. Pholus Jun 2013 #23

C'mon, Greenwald railsback Jun 2013 #10

"EvilOlive" marions ghost Jun 2013 #46

Look on the bright side. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #11

Or the one in San Antonio that's not on the books according to local newspaper there think Jun 2013 #18

Ooohhh fancy nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #20

Doncha mean red diaper babies? n/t Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #51

Rec'd with note that in December 2012 the #NSA launched a new program Catherina Jun 2013 #15

I can't believe how passively people accept it. Pholus Jun 2013 #16

Lots of people passively accepted Hitler magellan Jun 2013 #24

Ah ... Obama is Hitler ... one must usually go to a Tea Party rally to obtain JoePhilly Jun 2013 #70

You obviously didn't bother reading past the subject line magellan Jun 2013 #71

LOL. Greenwald is getting desperate Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #25

Old intel programs never die. They just get better codenames... :) Pholus Jun 2013 #27

So the administration is lying when they say the program was killed? Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #29

Tedious. Please pause, take a deep breath, and read what I wrote. Pholus Jun 2013 #33

Where is the scandal? Maedhros Jun 2013 #43

It's still based on foreign communications. And it's metadata, not bulk collection of email. randome Jun 2013 #26

This is desperation ProSense Jun 2013 #30

I don't understand the Guardian hitching its wagon to Greenwald. randome Jun 2013 #34

Well, the Guardian's print arm's losing money hand over fist. Denzil_DC Jun 2013 #62

My appologies to NSA WovenGems Jun 2013 #28

tip of the iceberg. nt limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #37

No doubt. Skip Intro Jun 2013 #61

So the program began in 2001 and was stopped halfway through Obama's first term. pnwmom Jun 2013 #38

"How the NSA is still harvesting your online data" Hissyspit Jun 2013 #65

Because he knows few will actually read past the headline. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #69

Wait, so if I talk to say, Sid someone out there is collecting is watching us? sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #40

Why would the reporter conveniently leave out Afghanistan...... Historic NY Jun 2013 #42

Must spy on all Americans - that is how paranoid we are! grahamhgreen Jun 2013 #44

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This message was self-deleted by its author Pholus Jun 2013 #60

Kick !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #64

Greenwald appreciates your sheepish dissemination of his propaganda. great white snark Jun 2013 #66

THAT... Is Hysterical... But When It Comes To Sheep, You Guys Know Best... WillyT Jun 2013 #67

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