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In reply to the discussion: NSA Collected US Email Records In Bulk For More Than Two Years Under Obama (w/Documents) - Guardian [View all]Maedhros
(10,007 posts)43. Where is the scandal?
The fact that the secret FISC, with no oversight or accountability, routinely and continually authorized all data collection requested by the NSA every 90 days, is scandalous.
I know it's out of vogue, but here is the Fourth Amendment:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
The fact that the NSA is asking the FISC for a warrant makes the Fourth Amendment relevant.
Whether the NSA has probable cause to collect data on millions of anonymous citizens is very much an open question, and a comprehensive explanation by the Administration is long overdue regarding why they believe they have probable cause to do this. Repeatedly citing the classified nature of the program is not sufficient cause to avoid giving an explanation.
A valid warrant must "particularly describ[e] the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." A blanket warrant issued every 90 days for the huge volume of records seized cannot by any stretch of the imagination meet this requirement.
If the program is indeed Constitutional and does not present a threat to democracy, then there is no harm explaining in detail exactly how the program functions. According to the people that created it, our government derives its "just powers from the consent of the governed." We as citizens cannot consent to this program if we do not know how it works.
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NSA Collected US Email Records In Bulk For More Than Two Years Under Obama (w/Documents) - Guardian [View all]
WillyT
Jun 2013
OP
I can think of more harm from them misusing my medical records, but I want universal healthcare.
Recursion
Jun 2013
#12
So you'd rather continue haveing the greedy, private, health insurance companies do the same thing?
RC
Jun 2013
#50
Section 1061 of the 2014 NDAA allows for analysis of previously collected data.
Fire Walk With Me
Jun 2013
#54
Excellent. However: NSA spying flap extends to contents of U.S. phone calls
Fire Walk With Me
Jun 2013
#58
So, they still have all those emails, and will keep them 5 yrs, until 2015-6 under current rules?
leveymg
Jun 2013
#2
I'm all for both sides of this issue debating its necessity based on its merits and bringing it to a
JaneyVee
Jun 2013
#19
Or the one in San Antonio that's not on the books according to local newspaper there
think
Jun 2013
#18
Ah ... Obama is Hitler ... one must usually go to a Tea Party rally to obtain
JoePhilly
Jun 2013
#70
It's still based on foreign communications. And it's metadata, not bulk collection of email.
randome
Jun 2013
#26
So the program began in 2001 and was stopped halfway through Obama's first term.
pnwmom
Jun 2013
#38
Wait, so if I talk to say, Sid someone out there is collecting is watching us?
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#40