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176. the daily threads here are somewhat limited

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 05:25 PM

Jun 2013

I would recommend in addition....

Leatherman... Very pro-trayvon. Often a bit blind and emotional but lots of good nuggets on data and courtroom tactics. If you are anti-zimmerman, you will definitely love this site.

http://frederickleatherman.com/

TalkLeft... While not necessarily pro-anybody, definitely pro-defendant rights. Very liberal/ACLU-ish. Nonetheless, the most balanced place I know atm and more than willing to challenge either side.

http://forums.talkleft.com/index.php#c8

Thelastrefuge... Ultra-pro-zimmerman. Conspiracy minded which really clouds an otherwise massive storehouse of information on the case. All the info/rumors you DON'T want to know if you are anti-zimmerman. It is alleged they have close links to the defense team. Pretty much up-to-the-second updates like Leatherman's site.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com

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ZIMMERMAN TRIAL: Day 4, Thursday, June 27. [View all] Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 OP

she looks poised and together riverwalker Jun 2013 #1

She is holding it together. See ZIMMERMAN though? JimDandy Jun 2013 #98

He was Fidgety Generic Other Jun 2013 #191

I'm not sure what you were watching WhataKnight Jun 2013 #183

Welcome to DU! cpwm17 Jun 2013 #185

He deserves jail time WhataKnight Jun 2013 #189

You are wrong. The gun changed everything Generic Other Jun 2013 #192

I'm sorry WhataKnight Jun 2013 #194

English is her third language and you complain she can't read, write cursive & doubt her? Huh uppityperson Jun 2013 #196

"I can't read cursive" n/t riverwalker Jun 2013 #2

evidently West can't either n/t riverwalker Jun 2013 #3

Asking Rachel about her characterzation of the case as a racial thing. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #4

West: "Are you okay? You seem so different from how you were yesterday" Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #5

I was interrupted when I heard her avebury Jun 2013 #8

OFFS. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #6

She looks like she has been crying her eyes are a bit swollen.... Little Star Jun 2013 #7

Does anyone have a link Lisa D Jun 2013 #9

here riverwalker Jun 2013 #11

Thanks! n/t Lisa D Jun 2013 #12

West: "isn't creepy assed cracker a racist comment"? n/t riverwalker Jun 2013 #10

I missed it. Was there an objection from Prosecution when he asked that? KurtNYC Jun 2013 #34

I think you can ask leading questions in cross-examination. antigone382 Jun 2013 #188

Judge: "Can we move on to another topic?" Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #13

he almost implied that Trayvons parents riverwalker Jun 2013 #31

It was clearly the implication. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #52

Judge seems frustrated by West's questioning today. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #14

I'm having a hard time watching him. Silly but... Little Star Jun 2013 #20

the lawyer is pissing me off warrior1 Jun 2013 #15

He's pissing the judge off, too. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #16

"That's the last time this question will be asked" fishwax Jun 2013 #44

Thanks Tommy. I was up late last night. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #17

Semi-OT: Fun with internets. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #18

It's called Purple Drank Lurks Often Jun 2013 #84

And yet your talking points and seemingly 'helpful' JimDandy Jun 2013 #100

So sorry facts disturb you. Lurks Often Jun 2013 #105

On conservative sites, JimDandy Jun 2013 #133

Saying Martin was NOT under the influence of anything is a smear? Lurks Often Jun 2013 #163

Your very first post JimDandy Jun 2013 #173

Oh the horror of it all Lurks Often Jun 2013 #175

And isn't even true. Skittles don't melt like Jolly Ranchers in the Mountain Dew DevonRex Jun 2013 #124

The victim smearing by that poster JimDandy Jun 2013 #135

HAHA!!! MOUNTAIN DEW +JOLLY RANCHERS + CODEINE isn't Watermelon Arizona & Skittles.nt DevonRex Jun 2013 #122

Your point is? Lurks Often Jun 2013 #125

Skittles don't melt in the drink like Jolly Ranchers. They're NOT the same. They're gummy. DevonRex Jun 2013 #128

I have already stated that Martin was NOT under Lurks Often Jun 2013 #167

West keeps harping on the letter riverwalker Jun 2013 #19

He is being an asshole, imho. Ugh.... Little Star Jun 2013 #22

This message was self-deleted by its author JimDandy Jun 2013 #78

i agree: he is not doing his client any favor noiretextatique Jun 2013 #116

not only a jackass, but a bore and a boor Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #149

She seems poised today, non teenager-ish, I like the teenager uponit7771 Jun 2013 #21

At this point the jury has to be thinking can we just finish this testimony up already chelsea0011 Jun 2013 #23

+1, cause she's not saying anything new and it looks like Z's attorney is being a jerk uponit7771 Jun 2013 #24

I am amazed how long she has been on the stand.... chelsea0011 Jun 2013 #25

The defense is trying to embarrass IMHO, he's being antagonistic now uponit7771 Jun 2013 #27

he is effectively planting reasonable doubt in the jury as to whether or not Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #152

if so, that's a good thing. magical thyme Jun 2013 #26

yes -- redirect is next KurtNYC Jun 2013 #30

He is trying to wear her down riverwalker Jun 2013 #28

I have seen that with expert witnesses, but not with a layperson and especially a kid DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2013 #32

Dennis Fung at the OJ trial comes to mind. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #68

It has backfired for me and I'm just sitting in my own house.... Little Star Jun 2013 #101

Defense: At LEAST 20 seconds of Z following TM!! My goodness This guy is an IDIOT!! uponit7771 Jun 2013 #29

This attorney keeps slipping and using Zimmerman's name....this attorney Ninga Jun 2013 #33

HLN just made interesting comment riverwalker Jun 2013 #35

Prosecution back up on re-direct. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #36

Never mind. West's still droning on. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #37

"I could hear Trayvon" riverwalker Jun 2013 #38

Yes they are and sometimes they leave out things too. Little Star Jun 2013 #102

It is so hard to believe that Knock Knock is actually avebury Jun 2013 #39

I went to his firm's website. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #42

The defense had better make its point soon LittleBlue Jun 2013 #40

He is also just a fraction away from getting avebury Jun 2013 #41

+1, his droning on is a good indicator that her testimony was powerful IMHO uponit7771 Jun 2013 #43

playing the audio (jury out of room) riverwalker Jun 2013 #45

now attorneys are argueing riverwalker Jun 2013 #47

The audio sounds like she said "could'a heard Trayvon" targetpractice Jun 2013 #48

The most important word in her sentence JimDandy Jun 2013 #103

In the recorded deposition audio? targetpractice Jun 2013 #112

The second and third time JimDandy Jun 2013 #119

I'm at work and unable to follow. reflection Jun 2013 #46

It's a bit of a Roscharch test. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #49

Re: #2 - I think there's physical evidence to back that up TorchTheWitch Jun 2013 #109

The four times she emphasized "Ended," it sounded like "Ennit." WinkyDink Jun 2013 #50

Oh dear LittleBlue Jun 2013 #51

If she heard "grass," she needs to explain that, not look dumbfounded by the follow-up question. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #54

She just recanted some testimony LittleBlue Jun 2013 #57

Next, watch West ask Rachel to describe the sound of one hand clapping. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #53

It's that bad? JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #56

I fully expected this. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #58

and wet grass is squeeky riverwalker Jun 2013 #81

But it's hard to elucidate in words. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #91

exactly n/t riverwalker Jun 2013 #97

and the jury probably knows exactly the sound she's talking about Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #156

Yes, but it would have taken JimDandy Jun 2013 #104

WTF is this assholes point?! bunnies Jun 2013 #55

He is trying to trip her up, confuse her and get her to Rex Jun 2013 #66

And this in front of an all female jury? bunnies Jun 2013 #69

My mom asked the same question. Rex Jun 2013 #193

I had to shut it off HockeyMom Jun 2013 #59

That is my take exactly. JimDandy Jun 2013 #86

This cross-examination is excruciating, Tanuki Jun 2013 #60

Leading the witness much? hedgehog Jun 2013 #61

To be fair, attorneys are allowed to lead on cross. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #62

Thanks! I didn't know that! hedgehog Jun 2013 #64

The judge really doesn't like West. woolldog Jun 2013 #63

Not much to like as far as I can see. bunnies Jun 2013 #70

His defense role probably is to be the point JimDandy Jun 2013 #107

"that would be retarded, Sir" riverwalker Jun 2013 #65

That's going to be rememberd....the defense should sit down and let someone else talk uponit7771 Jun 2013 #74

She said that? JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #79

Yep, she did. "THAT'S REAL RETARDED, SIR" DinahMoeHum Jun 2013 #108

Rachel, you go girlfriend!!! Don't let that slimeball, West, get to you!!! Stardust Jun 2013 #131

"No sir!"--Considerably louder from Rachel... Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #67

he is trying to trap her riverwalker Jun 2013 #71

"I did not say he (Trayvon) approached him (Zimmerman)!" Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #72

(error) WinkyDink Jun 2013 #75

West puts forth the defense's position, she refutes, he goes, "Well, whatever." Where is the DA?? WinkyDink Jun 2013 #73

The DA should stomp a mud hole in the defense after that...knock knock woke everyone up uponit7771 Jun 2013 #83

Defense showing it's true colors and strategy now... Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #76

"If Trayvon Martin planned to assault." "If Trayvon Martin planned to attack." Trayvon the Villain. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #80

Yep. Totally twisting her words. Repeatedly suggesting that she said things she didn't say Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #82

Then trying to minimize her words with "In any event." WinkyDink Jun 2013 #85

Yes, all they have left is the harassment of witnesses. JimDandy Jun 2013 #89

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2013 #94

"If Trayvon Martin was getting ready to assault..."???!!!! WTH?! FINALLY THE DA OBJECTS. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #77

IMHO West is alienating this jury riverwalker Jun 2013 #87

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2013 #95

That's exactly what I think TorchTheWitch Jun 2013 #195

Good grief. I find the JUDGE'S voice to be tremulous. They need Judge Judy! WinkyDink Jun 2013 #88

Why doesn't the judge insist Lisa D Jun 2013 #90

Ain't THAT a good question! Oy. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #92

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2013 #93

delay and sidebar, at dispute riverwalker Jun 2013 #96

"Yeah, lunch!" nt Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #99

FOR THOSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO WATCH BUT CAN'T WATCH LIVE... TorchTheWitch Jun 2013 #106

Thank you! JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #110

Nice! Thanks. n/t JimDandy Jun 2013 #121

Why was Rachel dismissed? Done? WinkyDink Jun 2013 #111

Done. But might be called back. nt bunnies Jun 2013 #115

phone guy is done riverwalker Jun 2013 #113

Is West going to ask this pretty, well spoken, white woman what GRASS sounds like too? bunnies Jun 2013 #114

I'm pretty sure it sounds like "Heeeeyyyy......Doriiiiitoooos." WinkyDink Jun 2013 #117

lol. bunnies Jun 2013 #120

I felt so bad for her then. Sometimes i have trouble describing DevonRex Jun 2013 #126

Shit does that 9-1-1 operator sound like an idiot! Myrina Jun 2013 #118

the 911 call tape riverwalker Jun 2013 #123

and why would a shooter yell like a banshee riverwalker Jun 2013 #127

This is precisely my thinking!n/t Dalai_1 Jun 2013 #129

Spot on! n/t JimDandy Jun 2013 #137

There's only do much they can do riqster Jun 2013 #130

these dorks riverwalker Jun 2013 #132

I'm a little nervous where the prosecution is going with the Zimmerman question Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #134

And is the witness following the brother's Twitter account? Generic Other Jun 2013 #136

yes interesting riverwalker Jun 2013 #138

has no idea why riverwalker Jun 2013 #139

also friends with Z's pal on Facebook n/t riverwalker Jun 2013 #140

but he's her neighbor who also heard something right? Generic Other Jun 2013 #146

She has zero tweets Generic Other Jun 2013 #142

Who is this witness? No access to the trial feed right now. JimDandy Jun 2013 #145

She's one of the neighbor's Generic Other Jun 2013 #147

Lauer Jennifer I think is first name riverwalker Jun 2013 #158

Thanks. Why do you think she had a attitude? JimDandy Jun 2013 #160

The fools don't understand Twitter... targetpractice Jun 2013 #143

Yes! That's what I heard Generic Other Jun 2013 #150

I am so glad that the Prosecution did not ask the avebury Jun 2013 #154

Looks like Zimmerman's brother is Twitter stalking the witnesses. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #141

Indeed. targetpractice Jun 2013 #144

And Bob Dylan is P****D! WinkyDink Jun 2013 #148

My take is prosecutor was surprised too Generic Other Jun 2013 #151

Never ask a question you dont know answer to. ksoze Jun 2013 #155

He's also following Sabrina Fulton (Trayvon's mom)... targetpractice Jun 2013 #157

He is not helping things Generic Other Jun 2013 #171

It makes sense. JVS Jun 2013 #174

Almost sounds like witnesss intimidation. Incitatus Jun 2013 #178

This whole thing gets weirder and weirder. Initech Jun 2013 #153

New witness riverwalker Jun 2013 #159

WTF? pokerfan Jun 2013 #172

Selma Mora, a construction salesperson riverwalker Jun 2013 #161

She's good. And she bolsters the other girl's testimony. Trayvon's friend's, DevonRex Jun 2013 #180

Witness saw a person with a red and black patterned top on top of the scuffle!!! Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #162

She seems to be a pretty good avebury Jun 2013 #164

WOW! she saw Zimmerman straddeling Trayvon riverwalker Jun 2013 #165

She is doing really well on cross. I don't think that the avebury Jun 2013 #166

I believe Zimmerman already said he was on top AFTER the shot ksoze Jun 2013 #168

So glad there is a daily thread about this trial! MoonRiver Jun 2013 #169

the daily threads here are somewhat limited grok Jun 2013 #176

The prosecutor is being a dumbass about the twitter account. JVS Jun 2013 #170

TalkLeft: "Rachel Jeantel was a train wreck as a witness" Shrek Jun 2013 #177

They're totally wrong. If she were the only witness, I'd still believe DevonRex Jun 2013 #179

"Train wreck" would be a good way to describe her cpwm17 Jun 2013 #182

I don't read TalkLeft often, but from perusing the site stranger81 Jun 2013 #187

My heart goes out to this young lady..... BronxBoy Jun 2013 #181

YES!! MoonRiver Jun 2013 #184

Brilliant. Thank you for the post. nolabear Jun 2013 #186

Catching up with Jeantel testimony. I think the prior transcripts of her initial statements ecstatic Jun 2013 #190