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JustAnotherGen

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37. Exactly

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 01:27 PM

Jun 2013

I do not speak that way unless I'm parroting a show like The Boondocks. I do not speak that way ever. Even when I'm in a gathering of only black folks.

It has nothing to do with race and everything to do with education and environment. The flip of this is 'Talking White'. Notice - it's not 'speaking' - it's 'talking'.

ETA: Here's a thread where 'Talking White' was explored at DU Recently: http://www.democraticunderground.com/11872794

Caucasians never seem to get accused of that - because I *think* proper American English is just normally assigned to Caucasians.

Yet - I've had non black executives at Nokia, the old Mebtel, the old Gulftel, etc. etc. from the South say to me -

I know you were wantin'.
I'm fixin' to.

And I blinked - but carried on because they aren't speaking proper English. And if it is only 'me' - then please don't reference 'all'.

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