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Cali_Democrat

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3. Yup
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 02:48 PM
Jun 2013

Many people think unarmed African American teenagers shouldn't be allowed to defend themselves.

Zimmerman follows, stalks and confronts Martin. It seems to me that Trayvon had every right to kick his ass and defend himself.

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Listening to Trayvon Martin trial [View all] madaboutharry Jun 2013 OP
Yep, because only armed people are entitled to 'self-defense'. sinkingfeeling Jun 2013 #1
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There is evidence that he was afraid the larger man who had been following him pnwmom Jun 2013 #4
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Dub-V-You - hmm, at first glance it read to me as: Dub-L-You. hmmm. Whisp Jun 2013 #7
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We don't know who threw the first punch, but under the Stand Your Ground pnwmom Jun 2013 #12
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Being followed in a car and then on foot, seems reasonable to be afraid. But then I'm not a black 17 uppityperson Jun 2013 #20
Trayvon was clearly AFRAID that he was about to be attacked, pnwmom Jun 2013 #26
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And it doesn't mean GZ could shoot anyone GZ followed at night, pnwmom Jun 2013 #30
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Under Florida's Stand your ground law, a person who's being followed pnwmom Jun 2013 #46
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There have been people found not guilty under SYG who shot people who were just pnwmom Jun 2013 #67
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Sure. And this one's even worse. The circumstances are similar to GZ: the shooter followed pnwmom Jun 2013 #77
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I didn't bother to look for one because I ran into this one first, pnwmom Jun 2013 #168
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Right, he stabbed him. And the judge let him off based on stand your ground. pnwmom Jun 2013 #173
Trayvon was not in zimmys yard. uppityperson Jun 2013 #178
"Feeling threatened is not reason to resort to violence" Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #140
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the "provocation" started when Zimmerman continued to Blue_Roses Jun 2013 #53
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that makes no sense... Blue_Roses Jun 2013 #79
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"following someone is not a provocative act". Incredible. nt uppityperson Jun 2013 #81
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Following someone in the dark with your car and then on ft = sales person going to dressing room? uppityperson Jun 2013 #87
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Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah uppityperson Jun 2013 #93
May DubV be followed at night while you are merely walking in your naighborhood. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #94
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Did you see this part? Hahahahahahahahahahaha uppityperson Jun 2013 #101
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BWahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahaaha!!!!!!!!!!! uppityperson Jun 2013 #105
And it doesn't mean he can shoot anyone HE follows at night either. Like he did. uppityperson Jun 2013 #31
AHEM. Z was NOT AFRAID. People in FEAR do not STALK the person they fear. GET IT? WinkyDink Jun 2013 #90
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Yup, Z only accidentally was driving, then parked and walked, in the same way TM went, setting uppityperson Jun 2013 #103
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"sales person following you to a dressing room". Snort. Hahahahahahahahahaha uppityperson Jun 2013 #107
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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha uppityperson Jun 2013 #111
They presented plenty of evidence of stalking at the trial, pnwmom Jun 2013 #169
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Stalking has a legal and a conventional definition, and no one here is barred pnwmom Jun 2013 #172
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And it doesn't mean GZ could shoot anyone he was following either notadmblnd Jun 2013 #138
How can you possibly think you know that? hfojvt Jun 2013 #193
there is no evidence that trayvon hit zimmerman. period. there is a bloody nose of unknown origin. Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #55
Do you know something the rest of us don't? The evidence seems to indicate Trayvon was simply appleannie1 Jun 2013 #54
Why would Trayvon ambush someone chasing him for no apparent reason after having lost him? Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #66
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No such criminal record. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #76
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So you just want to play "what if" and pull speculation clear out of your ass? Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #99
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Zimmerman had previous episodes of violence but I have not... Little Star Jun 2013 #86
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Let's not forget it was a bigot with a gun stalking an unarmed teenager. Hoyt Jun 2013 #84
what makes you assume the smaller person who was being chased did the attacking? arely staircase Jun 2013 #108
There has been no evidence presented that TM attacked GZ notadmblnd Jun 2013 #134
Zimmerman was following Trayvon with a gun Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #6
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I would be surprised if Mr Zimmerman didn't make his gun visible. Fla Dem Jun 2013 #11
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Only Zimmy's solemn word. Bless his truth telling little soul. uppityperson Jun 2013 #22
It doesn't make sense the gun was already out. naaman fletcher Jun 2013 #116
Nobody knows that aside from the murderer Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #13
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Is it unreasonable to think a black teenager being followed by a "creepy ass cracker" might have uppityperson Jun 2013 #18
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So a black 17 yr old being followed at night not only in a vehicle but then on foot at has nothing uppityperson Jun 2013 #29
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I can never remember the difference between a strawman and red herring. uppityperson Jun 2013 #40
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Not at all. You seem to think the pigment of his skin had no bearing on whether or not he felt fear. uppityperson Jun 2013 #50
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You will not answer. OK. Bye. uppityperson Jun 2013 #65
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"lies, damned lies and statistics". Too bad he was followed by an asshole with a gun, period. uppityperson Jun 2013 #75
You will not answer. uppityperson Jun 2013 #80
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I believe the correct term is "Straw Herring" Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #143
Make it a FEMALE HockeyMom Jun 2013 #154
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He is MORE than a Racist HockeyMom Jun 2013 #161
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I said he was MORE than a Racist HockeyMom Jun 2013 #166
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"what makes him racist in the first place?" probably his upbringing since his dad is a published one uppityperson Jun 2013 #180
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How do you know that Trayvon did not know there was a gun? Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #25
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No. Trayvon had a rational fear. And why do you keep assuming he "didn't know there was a gun"? uppityperson Jun 2013 #36
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Do you have evidence he didn't know? And again, strawman or red herring? uppityperson Jun 2013 #43
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Overall, Trayvon was more likely to live to be in his 60's at least. Aren't statistics fun and uppityperson Jun 2013 #68
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When a bigot is following/stalking you at night -- you can be sure he has a gun. Hoyt Jun 2013 #85
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There's a strong argument that he engaged in racial profiling that night. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #114
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Did he? I haven't heard that yet. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #122
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You just said he followed a white person that night too. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #128
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Okay, typically, when one says "Did he not...." at the beginning of a question.... Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #132
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Your punctuation didn't confuse me. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #137
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And I gave you a response? Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #145
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No. He did not. Oh, tell Frank I said hi. Eom uppityperson Jun 2013 #182
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Yes, all I need. Maybe not to your satisfaction, but maybe you just don't Hoyt Jun 2013 #127
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No, they found it didn't rise to a hate crime thay could be proven. Hoyt Jun 2013 #135
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I suspect the only way you'd accept Zimmy is a bigot is if he lynched someone. Hoyt Jun 2013 #150
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It doesn't matter Blue_Roses Jun 2013 #56
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What a bunch of bullshit. Zoeisright Jun 2013 #14
if you're a SYG fan, then surely you can appreciate that being stalked at night nashville_brook Jun 2013 #23
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when an armed man started to follow him n/t riverwalker Jun 2013 #57
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I do not think it was irrelevant to Trayvon Martin, his family or his friends. Good lord. uppityperson Jun 2013 #70
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17 yr old claiming he is afraid of a man following him is "little ridiculous". Gotcha. And no, the uppityperson Jun 2013 #78
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Wrong. It is very possible to be afraid of an armed man if you do not know he is armed. uppityperson Jun 2013 #175
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Nope. I'd be afraid of an armed man. uppityperson Jun 2013 #177
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He and the other Zimmerman lover are gone! hrmjustin Jun 2013 #185
Thank you, thanks MIRT and great reason! uppityperson Jun 2013 #186
Now I see why you went from 1-81 in 24 hours. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #179
Blame me, playing around with it. It followed me home but I didn't get to keep it. uppityperson Jun 2013 #187
LOl His first 5 posts were to me. I guess i bored him after that. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #188
The Only Reason There Is A Case & Trial Is Because Zim Was Armed HangOnKids Jun 2013 #92
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IT IS A MURDER TRIAL HangOnKids Jun 2013 #118
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Are you waiting for JaMarcus to come back to the Raiders too? n/t HangOnKids Jun 2013 #130
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Final Countdown 3...2...1 HangOnKids Jun 2013 #142
AT THE TIME OF THE ILLEGAL STALKING!!!! uponit7771 Jun 2013 #91
it takes an especial kind of stupidity noiretextatique Jun 2013 #126
Yup Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #3
A lot don't think African American teenagers have the right to walk down a street! csziggy Jun 2013 #15
The defense has not presented yet. Please share time machine codes. ksoze Jun 2013 #9
yup, and i'd add that with their treatment of Rachel yesterday nashville_brook Jun 2013 #21
Putting being black on trial? ksoze Jun 2013 #27
What? That poster is talking about how the young woman was treated yesterday. uppityperson Jun 2013 #34
You haven't heard any of the defense yet customerserviceguy Jun 2013 #32
Yes we have. madaboutharry Jun 2013 #41
And the laying out is not good for prosecution ksoze Jun 2013 #44
I've been watching O'Meara during this whole thing customerserviceguy Jun 2013 #49
This woman has no sympathy for Zimmerman yardwork Jun 2013 #47
Yes, moms sometimes like to see their kids suffer some consequences customerserviceguy Jun 2013 #51
Meh. Trayvon Martin was killed, not Zimmerman yardwork Jun 2013 #112
One or the other was going to die that night customerserviceguy Jun 2013 #190
Nonsense. That's the killer's story. I don't believe it. yardwork Jun 2013 #196
What matters is if the jury believes it customerserviceguy Jun 2013 #197
Before You Chime In With More Wisdom You Should Get O'Mara's Name Correct HangOnKids Jun 2013 #125
And it's my guess that he knows customerserviceguy Jun 2013 #189
But you didn't know how to spell his name or did not take time to search it HangOnKids Jun 2013 #192
John Good was "star" defense witness riverwalker Jun 2013 #58
I doubt it's all the defense has customerserviceguy Jun 2013 #191
A "brawl", I would classify it as assault, that he initiated... Humanist_Activist Jun 2013 #195
Yes, it would have gone better for all concerned customerserviceguy Jun 2013 #198
Seems that way to me too. yardwork Jun 2013 #38
It's the Zimmerman trial hobbit709 Jun 2013 #42
Excellent point customerserviceguy Jun 2013 #52
Agreed. Dawson Leery Jun 2013 #48
it is not up to the defense to prove anything - it is up to the prosecutor to prove their charges DrDan Jun 2013 #96
They do have to prove self-defense by a preponderance of the evidence. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #113
this is not a self-defense hearing - they waived that and went to trial DrDan Jun 2013 #146
It's not a stand your ground hearing before the judge. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #148
the state has to prove second degree murder DrDan Jun 2013 #153
False, the burden is on the defendent to prove deadly force was necessary Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #139
the charge is second degree murder - the prosecutors must prove that DrDan Jun 2013 #149
Yes they need to prove second degree murder Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #151
nothing matters if they do not prove second degree murder DrDan Jun 2013 #152
Considering an unarmed teenager is dead and Zimmerman admitted killing him... Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #156
don't believe it has been proven yet DrDan Jun 2013 #157
Not legally it hasn't and it can't be legally proven until the trial is over Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #160
If he gets off every murder in FL will use this as an excuse Marrah_G Jun 2013 #120
this medical report riverwalker Jun 2013 #147
Against a gun carrying madman. bravenak Jun 2013 #165
why fight for his life? hfojvt Jun 2013 #194
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