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Listening to Trayvon Martin trial [View all] madaboutharry Jun 2013 OP
Yep, because only armed people are entitled to 'self-defense'. sinkingfeeling Jun 2013 #1
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There is evidence that he was afraid the larger man who had been following him pnwmom Jun 2013 #4
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Dub-V-You - hmm, at first glance it read to me as: Dub-L-You. hmmm. Whisp Jun 2013 #7
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We don't know who threw the first punch, but under the Stand Your Ground pnwmom Jun 2013 #12
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Being followed in a car and then on foot, seems reasonable to be afraid. But then I'm not a black 17 uppityperson Jun 2013 #20
Trayvon was clearly AFRAID that he was about to be attacked, pnwmom Jun 2013 #26
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And it doesn't mean GZ could shoot anyone GZ followed at night, pnwmom Jun 2013 #30
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Under Florida's Stand your ground law, a person who's being followed pnwmom Jun 2013 #46
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There have been people found not guilty under SYG who shot people who were just pnwmom Jun 2013 #67
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Sure. And this one's even worse. The circumstances are similar to GZ: the shooter followed pnwmom Jun 2013 #77
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I didn't bother to look for one because I ran into this one first, pnwmom Jun 2013 #168
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Right, he stabbed him. And the judge let him off based on stand your ground. pnwmom Jun 2013 #173
Trayvon was not in zimmys yard. uppityperson Jun 2013 #178
"Feeling threatened is not reason to resort to violence" Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #140
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the "provocation" started when Zimmerman continued to Blue_Roses Jun 2013 #53
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that makes no sense... Blue_Roses Jun 2013 #79
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"following someone is not a provocative act". Incredible. nt uppityperson Jun 2013 #81
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Following someone in the dark with your car and then on ft = sales person going to dressing room? uppityperson Jun 2013 #87
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Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah uppityperson Jun 2013 #93
May DubV be followed at night while you are merely walking in your naighborhood. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #94
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Did you see this part? Hahahahahahahahahahaha uppityperson Jun 2013 #101
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BWahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahaaha!!!!!!!!!!! uppityperson Jun 2013 #105
And it doesn't mean he can shoot anyone HE follows at night either. Like he did. uppityperson Jun 2013 #31
AHEM. Z was NOT AFRAID. People in FEAR do not STALK the person they fear. GET IT? WinkyDink Jun 2013 #90
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Yup, Z only accidentally was driving, then parked and walked, in the same way TM went, setting uppityperson Jun 2013 #103
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"sales person following you to a dressing room". Snort. Hahahahahahahahahaha uppityperson Jun 2013 #107
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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha uppityperson Jun 2013 #111
They presented plenty of evidence of stalking at the trial, pnwmom Jun 2013 #169
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Stalking has a legal and a conventional definition, and no one here is barred pnwmom Jun 2013 #172
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And it doesn't mean GZ could shoot anyone he was following either notadmblnd Jun 2013 #138
How can you possibly think you know that? hfojvt Jun 2013 #193
there is no evidence that trayvon hit zimmerman. period. there is a bloody nose of unknown origin. Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #55
Do you know something the rest of us don't? The evidence seems to indicate Trayvon was simply appleannie1 Jun 2013 #54
Why would Trayvon ambush someone chasing him for no apparent reason after having lost him? Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #66
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No such criminal record. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #76
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So you just want to play "what if" and pull speculation clear out of your ass? Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #99
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Zimmerman had previous episodes of violence but I have not... Little Star Jun 2013 #86
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Let's not forget it was a bigot with a gun stalking an unarmed teenager. Hoyt Jun 2013 #84
what makes you assume the smaller person who was being chased did the attacking? arely staircase Jun 2013 #108
There has been no evidence presented that TM attacked GZ notadmblnd Jun 2013 #134
Zimmerman was following Trayvon with a gun Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #6
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I would be surprised if Mr Zimmerman didn't make his gun visible. Fla Dem Jun 2013 #11
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Only Zimmy's solemn word. Bless his truth telling little soul. uppityperson Jun 2013 #22
It doesn't make sense the gun was already out. naaman fletcher Jun 2013 #116
Nobody knows that aside from the murderer Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #13
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Is it unreasonable to think a black teenager being followed by a "creepy ass cracker" might have uppityperson Jun 2013 #18
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So a black 17 yr old being followed at night not only in a vehicle but then on foot at has nothing uppityperson Jun 2013 #29
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I can never remember the difference between a strawman and red herring. uppityperson Jun 2013 #40
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Not at all. You seem to think the pigment of his skin had no bearing on whether or not he felt fear. uppityperson Jun 2013 #50
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You will not answer. OK. Bye. uppityperson Jun 2013 #65
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"lies, damned lies and statistics". Too bad he was followed by an asshole with a gun, period. uppityperson Jun 2013 #75
You will not answer. uppityperson Jun 2013 #80
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I believe the correct term is "Straw Herring" Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #143
Make it a FEMALE HockeyMom Jun 2013 #154
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He is MORE than a Racist HockeyMom Jun 2013 #161
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I said he was MORE than a Racist HockeyMom Jun 2013 #166
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"what makes him racist in the first place?" probably his upbringing since his dad is a published one uppityperson Jun 2013 #180
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How do you know that Trayvon did not know there was a gun? Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #25
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No. Trayvon had a rational fear. And why do you keep assuming he "didn't know there was a gun"? uppityperson Jun 2013 #36
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Do you have evidence he didn't know? And again, strawman or red herring? uppityperson Jun 2013 #43
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Overall, Trayvon was more likely to live to be in his 60's at least. Aren't statistics fun and uppityperson Jun 2013 #68
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When a bigot is following/stalking you at night -- you can be sure he has a gun. Hoyt Jun 2013 #85
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There's a strong argument that he engaged in racial profiling that night. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #114
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Did he? I haven't heard that yet. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #122
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You just said he followed a white person that night too. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #128
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Okay, typically, when one says "Did he not...." at the beginning of a question.... Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #132
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Your punctuation didn't confuse me. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #137
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And I gave you a response? Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #145
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No. He did not. Oh, tell Frank I said hi. Eom uppityperson Jun 2013 #182
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Yes, all I need. Maybe not to your satisfaction, but maybe you just don't Hoyt Jun 2013 #127
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No, they found it didn't rise to a hate crime thay could be proven. Hoyt Jun 2013 #135
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I suspect the only way you'd accept Zimmy is a bigot is if he lynched someone. Hoyt Jun 2013 #150
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It doesn't matter Blue_Roses Jun 2013 #56
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What a bunch of bullshit. Zoeisright Jun 2013 #14
if you're a SYG fan, then surely you can appreciate that being stalked at night nashville_brook Jun 2013 #23
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when an armed man started to follow him n/t riverwalker Jun 2013 #57
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I do not think it was irrelevant to Trayvon Martin, his family or his friends. Good lord. uppityperson Jun 2013 #70
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17 yr old claiming he is afraid of a man following him is "little ridiculous". Gotcha. And no, the uppityperson Jun 2013 #78
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Wrong. It is very possible to be afraid of an armed man if you do not know he is armed. uppityperson Jun 2013 #175
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Nope. I'd be afraid of an armed man. uppityperson Jun 2013 #177
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He and the other Zimmerman lover are gone! hrmjustin Jun 2013 #185
Thank you, thanks MIRT and great reason! uppityperson Jun 2013 #186
Now I see why you went from 1-81 in 24 hours. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #179
Blame me, playing around with it. It followed me home but I didn't get to keep it. uppityperson Jun 2013 #187
LOl His first 5 posts were to me. I guess i bored him after that. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #188
The Only Reason There Is A Case & Trial Is Because Zim Was Armed HangOnKids Jun 2013 #92
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IT IS A MURDER TRIAL HangOnKids Jun 2013 #118
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Are you waiting for JaMarcus to come back to the Raiders too? n/t HangOnKids Jun 2013 #130
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Final Countdown 3...2...1 HangOnKids Jun 2013 #142
AT THE TIME OF THE ILLEGAL STALKING!!!! uponit7771 Jun 2013 #91
it takes an especial kind of stupidity noiretextatique Jun 2013 #126
Yup Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #3
A lot don't think African American teenagers have the right to walk down a street! csziggy Jun 2013 #15
The defense has not presented yet. Please share time machine codes. ksoze Jun 2013 #9
yup, and i'd add that with their treatment of Rachel yesterday nashville_brook Jun 2013 #21
Putting being black on trial? ksoze Jun 2013 #27
What? That poster is talking about how the young woman was treated yesterday. uppityperson Jun 2013 #34
You haven't heard any of the defense yet customerserviceguy Jun 2013 #32
Yes we have. madaboutharry Jun 2013 #41
And the laying out is not good for prosecution ksoze Jun 2013 #44
I've been watching O'Meara during this whole thing customerserviceguy Jun 2013 #49
This woman has no sympathy for Zimmerman yardwork Jun 2013 #47
Yes, moms sometimes like to see their kids suffer some consequences customerserviceguy Jun 2013 #51
Meh. Trayvon Martin was killed, not Zimmerman yardwork Jun 2013 #112
One or the other was going to die that night customerserviceguy Jun 2013 #190
Nonsense. That's the killer's story. I don't believe it. yardwork Jun 2013 #196
What matters is if the jury believes it customerserviceguy Jun 2013 #197
Before You Chime In With More Wisdom You Should Get O'Mara's Name Correct HangOnKids Jun 2013 #125
And it's my guess that he knows customerserviceguy Jun 2013 #189
But you didn't know how to spell his name or did not take time to search it HangOnKids Jun 2013 #192
John Good was "star" defense witness riverwalker Jun 2013 #58
I doubt it's all the defense has customerserviceguy Jun 2013 #191
A "brawl", I would classify it as assault, that he initiated... Humanist_Activist Jun 2013 #195
Yes, it would have gone better for all concerned customerserviceguy Jun 2013 #198
Seems that way to me too. yardwork Jun 2013 #38
It's the Zimmerman trial hobbit709 Jun 2013 #42
Excellent point customerserviceguy Jun 2013 #52
Agreed. Dawson Leery Jun 2013 #48
it is not up to the defense to prove anything - it is up to the prosecutor to prove their charges DrDan Jun 2013 #96
They do have to prove self-defense by a preponderance of the evidence. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #113
this is not a self-defense hearing - they waived that and went to trial DrDan Jun 2013 #146
It's not a stand your ground hearing before the judge. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #148
the state has to prove second degree murder DrDan Jun 2013 #153
False, the burden is on the defendent to prove deadly force was necessary Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #139
the charge is second degree murder - the prosecutors must prove that DrDan Jun 2013 #149
Yes they need to prove second degree murder Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #151
nothing matters if they do not prove second degree murder DrDan Jun 2013 #152
Considering an unarmed teenager is dead and Zimmerman admitted killing him... Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #156
don't believe it has been proven yet DrDan Jun 2013 #157
Not legally it hasn't and it can't be legally proven until the trial is over Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #160
If he gets off every murder in FL will use this as an excuse Marrah_G Jun 2013 #120
this medical report riverwalker Jun 2013 #147
Against a gun carrying madman. bravenak Jun 2013 #165
why fight for his life? hfojvt Jun 2013 #194
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