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Bluenorthwest

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18. I think touting a pundit you don't know is a mistake.

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 06:54 PM

Jun 2013

“I don’t think you can argue that a regime change in Iraq won’t demonstrably and almost immediately improve the living conditions of the Iraqi people.”
Chait on Hardball, just before the Shock and the Awe.

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Glenn Greenwald is Ralph Nader [View all] Whisp Jun 2013 OP

You're attributing motives to a journalist... Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #1

doesn't seem he is too objective, how can that be a fair journalist? n/t Whisp Jun 2013 #3

The othe poster just stated that his work is objective. Did you read what was said to you? Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #6

So there is disagreement on Greenwald's objectiveness. Whisp Jun 2013 #8

So it was just a nonsensical, pointless bit of chat. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #13

I don't understand what you are doing. Whisp Jun 2013 #14

I would just be interested to hear the meat of your disagreement, you content Greenwald Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #16

the OP pretty well makes the claim that GG and Nader are more anti-liberal than anti-republican. Whisp Jun 2013 #20

There ARE reasons to think that certain flavors of "Liberal" are MORE damaging MNBrewer Jun 2013 #65

Are you a Libertarian? flamingdem Jun 2013 #113

I'm not a Libertarian MNBrewer Jun 2013 #114

Greenwald? Objective? baldguy Jun 2013 #22

Give me examples where he hasn't been? Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #24

he admits as much in the article in the OP arely staircase Jun 2013 #29

...and that's journalism. Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #37

no, that is advocacy not impartiality arely staircase Jun 2013 #38

"the job of a journalist is to look at and report all of the facts" Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #40

no a stenographer just rights down what is said arely staircase Jun 2013 #41

Exactly. That's what Greenwald does. He is an Investigative Reporter. Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #45

but he does not report the facts that run contrary to his already determined arely staircase Jun 2013 #50

"already determined narrative" Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #52

well clearly he didn't tell us that snowden had taken the job at BAH in order arely staircase Jun 2013 #53

Do you think if Snowden went to CNN, THEY would've reported it? Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #55

hell yes arely staircase Jun 2013 #67

I've read his work for well over 10 years now... Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #70

Of Course You Want Facts, Of Course You Want Them To Be The Ones You Agree With HangOnKids Jun 2013 #92

no that would be greenwald nt arely staircase Jun 2013 #97

Gee Down To Neener Neener? HangOnKids Jun 2013 #98

I.D.B arely staircase Jun 2013 #100

He questioned the claims of the Bush Administration, as he does of the Obama Admin MNBrewer Jun 2013 #66

All these people liked him when he picked on Bush. alarimer Jun 2013 #77

Just one? baldguy Jun 2013 #31

"Greenwald hates any who demeans themselves by actually winning an election" Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #39

He didn't really investgate Snowden, did he? baldguy Jun 2013 #43

And these "errors"... Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #48

You can't be that ignorant & out of touch. Can you? baldguy Jun 2013 #73

Ignorant? Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #75

That's it: Ignore anything that casts doubt on your erroneous preconceptions. baldguy Jun 2013 #82

Please stop with the comedy! 8 hidden posts and you have this kind of moxie? HangOnKids Jun 2013 #96

What I have is knowledge of the truth & the ability to articulate it to those less informed. baldguy Jun 2013 #101

Keep telling yourself that HangOnKids Jun 2013 #102

You don't see the previous poster replying, do you? baldguy Jun 2013 #103

�People say things, you assume they are lying, and dig for documents to prove it.� ~Glenn Greenwald Galraedia Jun 2013 #99

If that's the case, then he was an advocate for the Democratic Party when he was writing about Plame Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #108

"Greenwald started his blog Unclaimed Territory in October 2005" OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #105

So my memory didn't serve me as well as I thought... Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #107

I see him more like a Jerry Falwell frazzled Jun 2013 #2

Sounds like your average Nader-hater to me burnodo Jun 2013 #4

what Chait says about Greenwald isn't true Enrique Jun 2013 #5

he's way too easy on the guy nt arely staircase Jun 2013 #42

. LWolf Jun 2013 #7

Couldn't have put it better myself Hydra Jun 2013 #15

Chait was another huge Iraq War cheer leader over at the New Republic Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #9

I don't know Chait, but I am getting to know Greenwald. Whisp Jun 2013 #10

Chait agrees with power. So during the time between the 2000 election and the certification Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #12

I think touting a pundit you don't know is a mistake. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #18

You are free to make an OP on Chait's history. Whisp Jun 2013 #21

Chait is the author of the OP, his history and hyperbolic style is very much the subject. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #23

I think Greenwald fits the description quite well. Whisp Jun 2013 #25

Did you REALLY just say MNBrewer Jun 2013 #69

yeh, pretty well. Whisp Jun 2013 #71

I think Greenwald is wrong about some things MNBrewer Jun 2013 #74

He had a moment's hesitation... babylonsister Jun 2013 #57

ty, great read. nt Whisp Jun 2013 #59

Iraq war cheerleader attacking Greenwald. The Link Jun 2013 #11

There were a lot of Iraq war cheerleaders Whisp Jun 2013 #17

Here is Chait on Hillary Clinton, first his classic Hillary Clinton, Fratricidal Maniac Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #19

Wow, we're blowing off Iraq War cheerleading now? Marr Jun 2013 #36

Greenwald was an Iraq War cheerleader. baldguy Jun 2013 #27

I was waiting for someone to point that out. Pirate Smile Jun 2013 #56

I had missed that GG was a warmonger Kolesar Jun 2013 #58

ow ow ow! Whisp Jun 2013 #61

I love Whisp but you are OWNING this thread. Number23 Jun 2013 #118

Selective memory much? You do know which Greenwald we're talking about, right? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #32

Ahhh, the weekly, "Ralph Nader hater post". You really need to get over it. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #26

He lost me at "his brand of crusading regulation reigned nearly unchallenged." last1standing Jun 2013 #28

To me there are 2 Naders: Unsafe at any Speed Whisp Jun 2013 #30

I hope you're wrong. Nader could still do a lot of good. last1standing Jun 2013 #34

They both make me.... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #33

I scry with my little eye and see Whisp Jun 2013 #35

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA WilliamPitt Jun 2013 #44

Hello, how is the weather your way today? Whisp Jun 2013 #46

Jonathan Chait is ... GeorgeGist Jun 2013 #47

Yeah, right. And, he has a fake birth certificate and was born in Kenya. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #49

I didn't know that! Whisp Jun 2013 #51

Nader terrified the corporatists into creating RW think tanks to counter him Kolesar Jun 2013 #54

"I believe that corporate influence over our political process is easily one of the top sicknesses.. last1standing Jun 2013 #104

"His resemblance to Ralph Nader is not one that, so far as I can tell, anybody has thought to make." winter is coming Jun 2013 #60

Oh LORD!!! MNBrewer Jun 2013 #62

Nice... 99Forever Jun 2013 #63

this is true. GG smells even a bit worse now than he did yesterday. n/t Whisp Jun 2013 #72

The smell is your usual... 99Forever Jun 2013 #85

you make such a good argument, I'm about the change my mind on GG. Whisp Jun 2013 #86

I don't argue with ... 99Forever Jun 2013 #87

I love him, I love him, I love him Whisp Jun 2013 #89

Are you hallucinating? 99Forever Jun 2013 #91

Your killing me......... Historic NY Jun 2013 #93

Chait: Greenwald "insists that Obama is worse than Bush." ucrdem Jun 2013 #64

Nonsense. --> " For Greenwald, like for Nader, the evils of liberals loom far larger than GoneFishin Jun 2013 #68

I can see that truth hurts you & makes you lash out like a person DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #76

now who is the lasher squawking paranoid here. Whisp Jun 2013 #78

Good plan. Enjoy your weekend. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #79

is that the new 'Bless your Heart' thingie now? Whisp Jun 2013 #80

No. It was supposed to have functioned as the terminus of this conversation. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #83

I said good day! JTFrog Jun 2013 #90

This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog Jun 2013 #88

R#14 & K for, yip. n/t UTUSN Jun 2013 #81

Greenwald & Nader have giftedgirl77 Jun 2013 #84

that's Joy Reid! yay, reading that for sure, ty. Whisp Jun 2013 #95

This asshat is destructive flamingdem Jun 2013 #110

That is crazy tea bagger talk, is what it is. Whisp Jun 2013 #111

I'm really wondering who is orchestrating the release of new intelligence flamingdem Jun 2013 #112

Obama has twice signed the NDAA section 1021, which is the indefinite detention of US citizens Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #94

Most impressive! OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #106

kick Whisp Jun 2013 #109

Excellent article. Scurrilous Jun 2013 #115

kick Whisp Jun 2013 #116

That is one doggone interesting read. Explains alot about GG and his "admirers" Number23 Jun 2013 #117

If you haven't, you should see this DU post by msanthrope: Whisp Jun 2013 #119

DU rec...nt SidDithers Jun 2013 #120

Why? Is he running for President, or any other elected office? Cleita Jun 2013 #121

kick Whisp Jun 2013 #122

Reading Greenwald is annoying as heck. Whisp Jul 2013 #123

Greenwald is a hack. Zoeisright Jul 2013 #124