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oldhippie

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113. You're close, but not quite right ...

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 08:26 PM

Jun 2013

The stamp is $200, not $250. And it doesn't take a Federal Firearms License, just an approved application by the ATF, which is when you get the stamp. Permission from local law enforcement is NOT necessary if you apply as a Corporation or a Trust, but there is still the Federal background investigation by the ATF.

I currently have applications in for two silencers (ATF Form 4) and making two Short Barreled Rifles (ATF Form 1) and paid my $800 for the stamp applications. They were done under a Revocable Living Trust, so I didn't need local LEO approval, though I could have gotten it. I hope to receive the approvals in August.

I could use the same process to get a full auto assault rifle (and you're right about the pre-86 thing) but I really don't want a full auto. I can't see spending the money on the ammo.

This is all under Federal and Texas law. Some states don't allow it.

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How police track your driving [View all] n2doc Jun 2013 OP

What's "cancerous" about this? Recursion Jun 2013 #1

I am going to assume that the police in return let the public view and store their where abouts Arctic Dave Jun 2013 #4

Probably the same reason they can have more powerful guns than we can? (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #6

What guns are those? Nt Arctic Dave Jun 2013 #9

SWAT teams have honest to God assault rifles (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #18

For a nominal fee we can all have one. Arctic Dave Jun 2013 #44

Nope Recursion Jun 2013 #45

So I was correct, if you have the money you can have one. Arctic Dave Jun 2013 #47

What? No response? Android3.14 Jun 2013 #59

LOL! Demit Jun 2013 #67

Enough money, a clean record, permission of local law enforcement Recursion Jun 2013 #74

....and "crickets" , well played . Nt pkdu Jun 2013 #76

You're close, but not quite right ... oldhippie Jun 2013 #113

You know. I think that's an excellent idea. pa28 Jun 2013 #94

It is part of a larger puzzle of surveillance. Mojorabbit Jun 2013 #5

I'm "OK" in the sense that I have no illusions about turning back this clock Recursion Jun 2013 #7

4th Amendment ring a bell? TransitJohn Jun 2013 #17

Doesn't remotely apply here Recursion Jun 2013 #20

Oh, okay. TransitJohn Jun 2013 #25

That's why all those cars are registered, licensed jberryhill Jun 2013 #84

This message was self-deleted by its author Recursion Jun 2013 #19

Oy vey. On a seemingly 'progressive' board, no less - nt HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #11

Ain't that the truth. n/t AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #43

total surveilence and indentured servitude are progressive issues markiv Jun 2013 #63

You seem to have a real problem with the concepts of "freedom" and "liberty". nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #12

Whose freedom or liberty to travel is being infringed? jberryhill Jun 2013 #15

None of your cases involve cops TransitJohn Jun 2013 #26

So? jberryhill Jun 2013 #27

should cops also close their eyes when you drive past? Recursion Jun 2013 #28

It reminds me of those threads on DU where.... jberryhill Jun 2013 #29

No, they should observe for law breaking. They shouldn't record and geotag my passing for data mini TransitJohn Jun 2013 #32

Well they haven't kept it to that, ever Recursion Jun 2013 #33

To make sure taxes were paid. TransitJohn Jun 2013 #35

Actually historically you're dead wrong; plates used to be your driver's license Recursion Jun 2013 #37

So we're talking about plates' historicity now? TransitJohn Jun 2013 #40

You say "plates used to be your driver's license." No. At no time have my plates been my driver's AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #49

Plates used to be "one's" driver's license (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #51

It's still bullshit. I've been driving for more than 55 years. It never happened. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #53

Because driving started 55 years ago Recursion Jun 2013 #54

"deliberately obtuse to score some weird point about how intrusion by cops is a-ok". Exactly. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #58

reminds me of this movie scene markiv Jun 2013 #70

Illogical fallacies galore. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #64

Would you care to elaborate? jberryhill Jun 2013 #80

No. When you turn to logical fallacies then you dont want to discuss. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #100

You may love Big Brother taking care of you, but I dont. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #111

That wasn't the question jberryhill Jun 2013 #116

Whose freedom or liberty do you imagine is being infringed? Recursion Jun 2013 #23

one day you'll wake up wondering what the fuck happened.. frylock Jun 2013 #42

they're pros. they don't care & will never care. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #124

Illogical fallacy. Didnt say anything about "being observed". Come back whey you want rhett o rick Jun 2013 #65

Yes, you did. This is observing people in public. Recursion Jun 2013 #66

I object to my movements being tracked, recorded and put in a computer. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #73

See this article. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #112

Recursion's not one of the bad guys. Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #62

The police departments work for us. We can tell them they need to limit their blanket rhett o rick Jun 2013 #75

Because it is noting but a revenue stream. sofa king Jun 2013 #48

People like you... kirby Jun 2013 #102

On what principle would you keep police from doing this? (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #103

It's the 21st century and the new generation doesn't care about this shit! randome Jun 2013 #107

Exactly what you write on all of these issues, an obsequious acceptance of Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #118

Man astonished to find he'd been photographed 112 times by police license plate reader tech Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #132

Palantir is the same private contrator that apologized for involvement in Wikileaks smear campaign think Jun 2013 #2

B-b-but it's LEEEEEEEGAL!!! backscatter712 Jun 2013 #3

It should only keep data from cars that are flagged for a reason. Kablooie Jun 2013 #8

Why? (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #24

If my car was stolen I wouldn't mind police using technology to help find it. Kablooie Jun 2013 #41

If they would be that dumb to be driving around with stolen plates ... nolabels Jun 2013 #57

Why do you think there's a TV show called "America's Dumbest Criminals"? Kablooie Jun 2013 #69

Read the "Weird News" group here sometime Recursion Jun 2013 #78

Cops are always looking for plates of cars that are stolen, etc. treestar Jun 2013 #10

There is a huge difference between scanning for a specific license and tracking rhett o rick Jun 2013 #14

Be afraid, be very afraid Progressive dog Jun 2013 #13

All that's left to do HappyMe Jun 2013 #34

That reminds me of an incident during my Grade School Days. happyslug Jun 2013 #79

Nice condescending... 99Forever Jun 2013 #128

I just tried to keep it simple and easily understood Progressive dog Jun 2013 #129

Oh please. 99Forever Jun 2013 #130

I feel so violated! bhikkhu Jun 2013 #16

Yeah you shouldnt have anything to fear unless you are doing something wrong... bobduca Jun 2013 #22

Why do cars have individual license plates on them? jberryhill Jun 2013 #31

The plates can be used to HappyMe Jun 2013 #38

"it would be a needle in a haystack search" jberryhill Jun 2013 #85

I'm talking about what they are used for now. HappyMe Jun 2013 #87

They are used for finding needles in a haystack jberryhill Jun 2013 #88

If there were no license plates, HappyMe Jun 2013 #90

And they won't find that person either jberryhill Jun 2013 #92

Okay. HappyMe Jun 2013 #93

So the state can track our movements at all times? Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #68

What does it take dor Americans to let their drug store purchases be tracked? Recursion Jun 2013 #77

The drug store isn't the police. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #81

It's significantly worse than the police Recursion Jun 2013 #82

"If most people are okay with it, it's all right?" jberryhill Jun 2013 #86

K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #21

Silly WovenGems Jun 2013 #30

Much of this internecine warfare on DU results from a great disconnect in technology, I believe. randome Jun 2013 #36

Whatever "limits" are set only seem to be bent at best or broken altogether Uncle Joe Jun 2013 #60

I think we're headed for a very different world. Some can adapt, some can't. randome Jun 2013 #89

I welcome the new Totalitarian Overlords... bvar22 Jun 2013 #95

1984 was published in 1949. Its relevance to today is negligible, IMO. randome Jun 2013 #96

Says YOU... with no support and a CLEAR agenda. bvar22 Jun 2013 #98

I never said anything that's old is necessarily bad. randome Jun 2013 #99

And I think the FEARS are entirely justified. bvar22 Jun 2013 #106

I think the new generation really doesn't give a shit about trivialies like license plates... randome Jun 2013 #109

It doesn't matter if the New Generation Gives a shit about Government Intrusion... bvar22 Jun 2013 #114

But no one IS keeping files on you. They aren't 'tracking' you... randome Jun 2013 #117

They WILL have the capability to backtrack through the files at any future date ... bvar22 Jun 2013 #119

You know, people need to get comfortable with the notion that they get the government Skidmore Jun 2013 #39

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This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Jun 2013 #50

Do you want that to be made public? Recursion Jun 2013 #55

This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Jun 2013 #91

It's creepy. It's menancing. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #56

I wouldn't worry. secondvariety Jun 2013 #71

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They have license plate cameras on the border. hunter Jun 2013 #110

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Well, if they tell the Government, it's neither ICE nor State who hear it Recursion Jun 2013 #122

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If ICE has it they are lying to State about not having it Recursion Jun 2013 #125

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I think Minnesota has a law Jenoch Jun 2013 #101

I assume the PIs are bonded? Recursion Jun 2013 #105

I don't know what the situation is anymore. Jenoch Jun 2013 #108

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When you leave your home, there is 100% chance you will be on camera liberal N proud Jun 2013 #126

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