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Egnever

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50. I dont understand how one makes the leap

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 10:25 PM

Jun 2013

from the fisa courts turning down requests to the whole thing being illegal.

Doesnt it make more sense that the fisa court is turning down requests that go beyond the scope of the law?

The idea that because they turned down some applications all applications are illegal is absurd.

Thats like saying because some criminal warrants arent issued all criminal warrants are illegal which is clearly ridiculous.

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Snowden will go down a hero for my generation [View all] Harmony Blue Jun 2013 OP

lol! nt babylonsister Jun 2013 #1

May I laugh along with you ? russspeakeasy Jun 2013 #72

The poster needs the definition of a hero. Try Nelson Mandela. Snowden . . . not so much. brush Jun 2013 #81

. one_voice Jun 2013 #2

Mine, too. b. 1944 Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #3

BULLLLLLLLLLLLLL SHIT!! uponit7771 Jun 2013 #4

Clarification: ProSense Jun 2013 #5

Delusional. -eom gcomeau Jun 2013 #6

Well, I am part of the group that says he is and always will be.. Lady Freedom Returns Jun 2013 #7

I am with you! Vietnameravet Jun 2013 #10

IF your generation thinks that a anti-America CRIMINAL THIEF is a hero then that is sad. n/t Tx4obama Jun 2013 #8

good point and then they will wonder why Vietnameravet Jun 2013 #14

If you think Snowden is anti-American and a thief that is YOUR generation's problem. avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #20

What was illegal about what they were doing? Egnever Jun 2013 #23

It's called the 4th Amendment. avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #28

And how was that violated? Egnever Jun 2013 #38

Even our elected officials don't understand the scope of the spying on Americans. And it appears avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #44

I dont understand how one makes the leap Egnever Jun 2013 #50

This is how: caseymoz Jun 2013 #78

Well-said, casey! k&r, n/t appal_jack Jun 2013 #106

They issued a warrant on every American zeemike Jun 2013 #84

The founding fathers? The ones that thought slavery should be legal & women should not vote? LOL Tx4obama Jun 2013 #35

Making an end-run to a third party - is a poor excuse for breaking the law. avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #39

+1 n/t Lady Freedom Returns Jun 2013 #30

.... MADem Jun 2013 #9

Polls marions ghost Jun 2013 #11

Are they smart enough to realize we have real enemies? Vietnameravet Jun 2013 #13

May I ask who you believe to be "our real enemies"? Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #19

They understand the legacy marions ghost Jun 2013 #29

so I guess when the "elders" caught Osama bin laden Blue_Roses Jun 2013 #94

You mean after invading JoeyT Jun 2013 #98

^^^ right to the point ^^^ marions ghost Jun 2013 #101

Catching BL marions ghost Jun 2013 #100

The real enemies are those who lied us into Vietnam (I'm also a 'Nam Vet) AnotherDreamWeaver Jun 2013 #33

Lies and stealing, yep marions ghost Jun 2013 #48

So Nixons lies were bad, but Snowdens lies are good? baldguy Jun 2013 #55

Talking about govt lies-- marions ghost Jun 2013 #59

But he cheered Bush on when he was in power, didn't he? baldguy Jun 2013 #63

No idea about him cheering Bush marions ghost Jun 2013 #71

I agree Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #15

And well they should. zeemike Jun 2013 #86

Sorry but no Egnever Jun 2013 #24

your argument has kinda faded by now marions ghost Jun 2013 #36

What is the issue? Egnever Jun 2013 #40

I think this sums it up well: marions ghost Jun 2013 #46

How so? Egnever Jun 2013 #54

"better education on what data is being collected" marions ghost Jun 2013 #66

What about the data you willing submit to your doctor? zeemike Jun 2013 #88

I am glad you are speaking for your whole generation still_one Jun 2013 #12

My generation overwhelming supports Snowden Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #16

Oh, I think you're "having a laugh." If you really believe that, you need to get out more. nt MADem Jun 2013 #17

The reason most of the younger generation feel this way Vietnameravet Jun 2013 #18

you forgot ... Blue_Roses Jun 2013 #95

He'll go down.. HipChick Jun 2013 #21

We will have to see about that. longship Jun 2013 #22

Remind us about this next week, ok? we can do it Jun 2013 #25

just a wee bit too early to say that, isn't it? Whisp Jun 2013 #26

I was lucky, I had people like Bobby Kennedy, Gene McCarthy, and Daniel Ellsberg.... Rowdyboy Jun 2013 #27

New generations need new heroes marions ghost Jun 2013 #43

No its not the same world, and I'm really saddened by the quality of what passes for a hero today Rowdyboy Jun 2013 #87

Yeah no point in being an asshole marions ghost Jun 2013 #103

Snowden will go down a zero for my generation. Whisp Jun 2013 #31

LOL! randome Jun 2013 #42

Good Fix~ sheshe2 Jun 2013 #64

. dionysus Jun 2013 #32

Sad if true. DCBob Jun 2013 #34

LOL The "hero" who ran away to Russia? He is a gutless runaway and criminal. RBInMaine Jun 2013 #37

Really? Egnever Jun 2013 #41

now that you put it that way... Whisp Jun 2013 #45

I've always put it that way. John Galt needs to Go John Connor. Get off the net, wireless, phone, freshwest Jun 2013 #76

So, you are the official spokesperson for your generation? Were you elected to this position? kwassa Jun 2013 #47

Like Robert Ford? baldguy Jun 2013 #49

I don't think so. jazzimov Jun 2013 #51

I dunno. Giving away secrets to Russia, China, and go knows who else is not hero worthy. BenzoDia Jun 2013 #52

Oh, OK...... Grassy Knoll Jun 2013 #53

Only for those skeptical of the goodness of a totalitarian "big brother state". delrem Jun 2013 #56

Harmony Blue must be re educated. zeemike Jun 2013 #89

Benedict Arnold was a hero to many generations too... Historic NY Jun 2013 #57

Responses to this thread are sealing my opinion of the Dem Party circa 2013. delrem Jun 2013 #58

Overly Identifing With A Party Weakens It raindaddy Jun 2013 #75

mine too. zeemike Jun 2013 #91

Well QUICK! Tune in here NOW Catherina Jun 2013 #60

A sad reflection for a generation, then. railsback Jun 2013 #61

I suspect that more than a few children will be named "Snowden"... grasswire Jun 2013 #62

Not a chance. penndragon69 Jun 2013 #65

Not of your generation caseymoz Jun 2013 #67

LOL, Who exactly is that stupid to call him... Grassy Knoll Jun 2013 #68

He's my age. No hero of mine. MirrorAshes Jun 2013 #69

no he won't arely staircase Jun 2013 #70

I'm a Boomer...... DeSwiss Jun 2013 #73

It's not about Snowden!!!111!! arely staircase Jun 2013 #74

I'm going to hop into the sports group, or baking and randomly Whisp Jun 2013 #80

hell yeah arely staircase Jun 2013 #90

What a sad statement on your generation! Luckily, he only represents a handful of nuts. MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #77

A hero for those with a sense of unwarranted self-importance. sagat Jun 2013 #79

kr Norrin Radd Jun 2013 #82

It's only natural. Charles Manson, Jesse James, Mata Hari, Tsarnaev Bros, eg.... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #83

In your dreams Narkos Jun 2013 #85

looks like your 'many others' are a score of 24 recs so far. Whisp Jun 2013 #92

The goal isn't about recs Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #104

i'm sure there are some who consider Jonathan Pollard a Hero also JI7 Jun 2013 #93

you're how old?nt Blue_Roses Jun 2013 #96

Snowden is not a hero in any generation, he has not saved any lives or promoted this Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #97

+1000 Narkos Jun 2013 #99

heroism cheapened DrDan Jun 2013 #102

We can give him his own holiday Progressive dog Jun 2013 #105

I must admit that I fail to see anything even remotely "heroic" about what he has done. HiddenAgenda63 Jun 2013 #107

So many of the posts in this thread marions ghost Jun 2013 #108