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94. Obama has twice signed the NDAA section 1021, which is the indefinite detention of US citizens

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 10:32 PM

Jun 2013

with neither trial nor representation. He gave us extra-judicial execution of Americans suspected of terrorism or terrorist association. With the domestic terrorism undertaken against the Occupy Movement, we have lost the 1st Amendment. With the DHS saying they can seize personal electronics on a hunch along and within 100 miles of the border, it is the death of the 4th Amendment. With this week's ruling that silence in court can be used against you, it is the death of the 5th Amendment. And notice the arguments against the 2nd Amendment? As well as the chilling effect all of the metadata collection has put upon journalism (sources clamming up) and the crack down upon whistle-blowers...

Do not paint Obama as an unfortunate inheritor of the neocon/Bush power grab initiatives. He has taken them far further, paving the way for a horrific future.

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Glenn Greenwald is Ralph Nader [View all] Whisp Jun 2013 OP

You're attributing motives to a journalist... Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #1

doesn't seem he is too objective, how can that be a fair journalist? n/t Whisp Jun 2013 #3

The othe poster just stated that his work is objective. Did you read what was said to you? Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #6

So there is disagreement on Greenwald's objectiveness. Whisp Jun 2013 #8

So it was just a nonsensical, pointless bit of chat. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #13

I don't understand what you are doing. Whisp Jun 2013 #14

I would just be interested to hear the meat of your disagreement, you content Greenwald Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #16

the OP pretty well makes the claim that GG and Nader are more anti-liberal than anti-republican. Whisp Jun 2013 #20

There ARE reasons to think that certain flavors of "Liberal" are MORE damaging MNBrewer Jun 2013 #65

Are you a Libertarian? flamingdem Jun 2013 #113

I'm not a Libertarian MNBrewer Jun 2013 #114

Greenwald? Objective? baldguy Jun 2013 #22

Give me examples where he hasn't been? Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #24

he admits as much in the article in the OP arely staircase Jun 2013 #29

...and that's journalism. Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #37

no, that is advocacy not impartiality arely staircase Jun 2013 #38

"the job of a journalist is to look at and report all of the facts" Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #40

no a stenographer just rights down what is said arely staircase Jun 2013 #41

Exactly. That's what Greenwald does. He is an Investigative Reporter. Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #45

but he does not report the facts that run contrary to his already determined arely staircase Jun 2013 #50

"already determined narrative" Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #52

well clearly he didn't tell us that snowden had taken the job at BAH in order arely staircase Jun 2013 #53

Do you think if Snowden went to CNN, THEY would've reported it? Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #55

hell yes arely staircase Jun 2013 #67

I've read his work for well over 10 years now... Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #70

Of Course You Want Facts, Of Course You Want Them To Be The Ones You Agree With HangOnKids Jun 2013 #92

no that would be greenwald nt arely staircase Jun 2013 #97

Gee Down To Neener Neener? HangOnKids Jun 2013 #98

I.D.B arely staircase Jun 2013 #100

He questioned the claims of the Bush Administration, as he does of the Obama Admin MNBrewer Jun 2013 #66

All these people liked him when he picked on Bush. alarimer Jun 2013 #77

Just one? baldguy Jun 2013 #31

"Greenwald hates any who demeans themselves by actually winning an election" Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #39

He didn't really investgate Snowden, did he? baldguy Jun 2013 #43

And these "errors"... Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #48

You can't be that ignorant & out of touch. Can you? baldguy Jun 2013 #73

Ignorant? Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #75

That's it: Ignore anything that casts doubt on your erroneous preconceptions. baldguy Jun 2013 #82

Please stop with the comedy! 8 hidden posts and you have this kind of moxie? HangOnKids Jun 2013 #96

What I have is knowledge of the truth & the ability to articulate it to those less informed. baldguy Jun 2013 #101

Keep telling yourself that HangOnKids Jun 2013 #102

You don't see the previous poster replying, do you? baldguy Jun 2013 #103

�People say things, you assume they are lying, and dig for documents to prove it.� ~Glenn Greenwald Galraedia Jun 2013 #99

If that's the case, then he was an advocate for the Democratic Party when he was writing about Plame Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #108

"Greenwald started his blog Unclaimed Territory in October 2005" OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #105

So my memory didn't serve me as well as I thought... Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #107

I see him more like a Jerry Falwell frazzled Jun 2013 #2

Sounds like your average Nader-hater to me burnodo Jun 2013 #4

what Chait says about Greenwald isn't true Enrique Jun 2013 #5

he's way too easy on the guy nt arely staircase Jun 2013 #42

. LWolf Jun 2013 #7

Couldn't have put it better myself Hydra Jun 2013 #15

Chait was another huge Iraq War cheer leader over at the New Republic Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #9

I don't know Chait, but I am getting to know Greenwald. Whisp Jun 2013 #10

Chait agrees with power. So during the time between the 2000 election and the certification Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #12

I think touting a pundit you don't know is a mistake. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #18

You are free to make an OP on Chait's history. Whisp Jun 2013 #21

Chait is the author of the OP, his history and hyperbolic style is very much the subject. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #23

I think Greenwald fits the description quite well. Whisp Jun 2013 #25

Did you REALLY just say MNBrewer Jun 2013 #69

yeh, pretty well. Whisp Jun 2013 #71

I think Greenwald is wrong about some things MNBrewer Jun 2013 #74

He had a moment's hesitation... babylonsister Jun 2013 #57

ty, great read. nt Whisp Jun 2013 #59

Iraq war cheerleader attacking Greenwald. The Link Jun 2013 #11

There were a lot of Iraq war cheerleaders Whisp Jun 2013 #17

Here is Chait on Hillary Clinton, first his classic Hillary Clinton, Fratricidal Maniac Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #19

Wow, we're blowing off Iraq War cheerleading now? Marr Jun 2013 #36

Greenwald was an Iraq War cheerleader. baldguy Jun 2013 #27

I was waiting for someone to point that out. Pirate Smile Jun 2013 #56

I had missed that GG was a warmonger Kolesar Jun 2013 #58

ow ow ow! Whisp Jun 2013 #61

I love Whisp but you are OWNING this thread. Number23 Jun 2013 #118

Selective memory much? You do know which Greenwald we're talking about, right? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #32

Ahhh, the weekly, "Ralph Nader hater post". You really need to get over it. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #26

He lost me at "his brand of crusading regulation reigned nearly unchallenged." last1standing Jun 2013 #28

To me there are 2 Naders: Unsafe at any Speed Whisp Jun 2013 #30

I hope you're wrong. Nader could still do a lot of good. last1standing Jun 2013 #34

They both make me.... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #33

I scry with my little eye and see Whisp Jun 2013 #35

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA WilliamPitt Jun 2013 #44

Hello, how is the weather your way today? Whisp Jun 2013 #46

Jonathan Chait is ... GeorgeGist Jun 2013 #47

Yeah, right. And, he has a fake birth certificate and was born in Kenya. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #49

I didn't know that! Whisp Jun 2013 #51

Nader terrified the corporatists into creating RW think tanks to counter him Kolesar Jun 2013 #54

"I believe that corporate influence over our political process is easily one of the top sicknesses.. last1standing Jun 2013 #104

"His resemblance to Ralph Nader is not one that, so far as I can tell, anybody has thought to make." winter is coming Jun 2013 #60

Oh LORD!!! MNBrewer Jun 2013 #62

Nice... 99Forever Jun 2013 #63

this is true. GG smells even a bit worse now than he did yesterday. n/t Whisp Jun 2013 #72

The smell is your usual... 99Forever Jun 2013 #85

you make such a good argument, I'm about the change my mind on GG. Whisp Jun 2013 #86

I don't argue with ... 99Forever Jun 2013 #87

I love him, I love him, I love him Whisp Jun 2013 #89

Are you hallucinating? 99Forever Jun 2013 #91

Your killing me......... Historic NY Jun 2013 #93

Chait: Greenwald "insists that Obama is worse than Bush." ucrdem Jun 2013 #64

Nonsense. --> " For Greenwald, like for Nader, the evils of liberals loom far larger than GoneFishin Jun 2013 #68

I can see that truth hurts you & makes you lash out like a person DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #76

now who is the lasher squawking paranoid here. Whisp Jun 2013 #78

Good plan. Enjoy your weekend. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #79

is that the new 'Bless your Heart' thingie now? Whisp Jun 2013 #80

No. It was supposed to have functioned as the terminus of this conversation. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #83

I said good day! JTFrog Jun 2013 #90

This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog Jun 2013 #88

R#14 & K for, yip. n/t UTUSN Jun 2013 #81

Greenwald & Nader have giftedgirl77 Jun 2013 #84

that's Joy Reid! yay, reading that for sure, ty. Whisp Jun 2013 #95

This asshat is destructive flamingdem Jun 2013 #110

That is crazy tea bagger talk, is what it is. Whisp Jun 2013 #111

I'm really wondering who is orchestrating the release of new intelligence flamingdem Jun 2013 #112

Obama has twice signed the NDAA section 1021, which is the indefinite detention of US citizens Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #94

Most impressive! OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #106

kick Whisp Jun 2013 #109

Excellent article. Scurrilous Jun 2013 #115

kick Whisp Jun 2013 #116

That is one doggone interesting read. Explains alot about GG and his "admirers" Number23 Jun 2013 #117

If you haven't, you should see this DU post by msanthrope: Whisp Jun 2013 #119

DU rec...nt SidDithers Jun 2013 #120

Why? Is he running for President, or any other elected office? Cleita Jun 2013 #121

kick Whisp Jun 2013 #122

Reading Greenwald is annoying as heck. Whisp Jul 2013 #123

Greenwald is a hack. Zoeisright Jul 2013 #124