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DeltaLitProf

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70. For a lot of us that just doesn't cut it

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 11:00 PM

Jun 2013

When decades and decades of a defendant's life are on the line, when a child is dead, it seems very flippant to base one's decision as a juror on what you yourself believe happened based on how much you dislike George Zimmerman himself or, conversely, on how much you may feel Zimmerman is getting a bum rap.

A lot of us would be unable to send a man we dislike to prison based simply on a dislike. We'd need some pretty clear evidence. In fact, a lot of us would feel guilty all our lives for doing such a thing. If, on the other hand, we acquitted Zimmerman based on a "feeling," a lot of us would regret doing that as well.

You, on the other hand, have communicated to us that you are not like this.

And we understand that.

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I believe it was Zimmerman screaming [View all] Duer 157099 Jun 2013 OP

I think TM didn't get a chance to even hit GZ Politicalboi Jun 2013 #1

Wrong ksoze Jun 2013 #2

Other witnesses put GZ on top Beaverhausen Jun 2013 #8

Now now.. Witness just claimed that he saw multiple MMA style punches... Pelican Jun 2013 #9

MMA style guy recanted months ago.. frylock Jun 2013 #15

Got it.. repeated downward movement with his arm towards the guy's head... Pelican Jun 2013 #18

you've made your decision frylock Jun 2013 #20

I know it seems like that... Pelican Jun 2013 #21

Those sorts of downward arm movements would also be consistent Duer 157099 Jun 2013 #33

Agreed. Another way of saying it might be Adsos Letter Jun 2013 #54

witness has recanted. saw NO blows being thrown.. frylock Jun 2013 #13

Same witness recanted and had multiple versions of his testimoney. Zimmerman trained for MMA fights uponit7771 Jun 2013 #26

The witness has admitted he doesn't know what he saw notadmblnd Jun 2013 #56

This witness is a big help to the defense. Vattel Jun 2013 #69

No,he wasn't on top sreaming for help notadmblnd Jun 2013 #74

The witness in question says that someone was yelling for help when Martin was on top of Zimmerman. Vattel Jun 2013 #78

Perhaps. Igel Jun 2013 #23

several inch long gash? Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #34

If by "several-inch-long gash" you mean Duer 157099 Jun 2013 #35

Yes, the P.A. said one cut was 2 centimeters NOT 2 inches. The other was .5 centimeters and anneboleyn Jun 2013 #53

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2013 #25

Zimmerman outweighed Martin by 37 pounds on the night of the shooting (nt) Captain Stern Jun 2013 #30

Incorrect, police reports Lurks Often Jun 2013 #41

I think all that is both irrelevant and unlikely Warpy Jun 2013 #3

That doesn't make sense to me Duer 157099 Jun 2013 #5

Can you clarify this part? Pelican Jun 2013 #10

He wasn't a cop. Period. Warpy Jun 2013 #12

Ok.. but what made it illegal for him to talk to or interact with Martin? Pelican Jun 2013 #14

He had no real right to confront him, either, Warpy Jun 2013 #16

Based... on... what... law? Pelican Jun 2013 #19

Have you ever had a stranger follow you? I HAVE, by car. I figured it out, pulled into a lot, and WinkyDink Jun 2013 #31

He was also told, by the police dispatcher, to NOT confront TM. nt MADem Jun 2013 #27

Help me understand something about that characterization, because everyone is repeating it Adsos Letter Jun 2013 #37

"We don't need you to do that," is a polite way--to my understanding and when listening MADem Jun 2013 #42

Thanks for clearing that up, MADem. Adsos Letter Jun 2013 #49

I took it as a directive. As I said, perhaps those dispatchers are going to MADem Jun 2013 #55

I'm trying to get some understanding of how dispatchers in that jurisdiction advise callers. Adsos Letter Jun 2013 #59

Could be, or it could be simply a "manner of speaking." MADem Jun 2013 #64

If post #63 is accurate, it seems to be a matter of authority. Adsos Letter Jun 2013 #71

The prime 'supplement' affecting Zimmerman's testosterone might have lumpy Jun 2013 #60

Could be. He killed a young teen who should not have died that day. nt MADem Jun 2013 #62

Umm no. Carlpatrick Jun 2013 #40

When I tell a child or a subordinate, "I don't need you to do that," MADem Jun 2013 #47

Why wasn't it "legally binding" CatWoman Jun 2013 #48

Read Florida Law... Carlpatrick Jun 2013 #63

I wasn't talking to you CatWoman Jun 2013 #75

Yeah you were... Carlpatrick Jun 2013 #79

you joined DU just so you could defend that sorry sack of shit? CatWoman Jun 2013 #77

Not illegal. Just very stupid for a man with a LOADED GUN to CONFRONT a teenager anneboleyn Jun 2013 #58

apparently it was point-blank, if that's the right term.. there were powder burns on the clothing Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #36

The ME classified it as intermediate distance Lurks Often Jun 2013 #45

ok, maybe I misunderstood Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #61

I had to research what the ME considered "intermediate" distance Lurks Often Jun 2013 #80

I just read (somewhere) one person postulating that Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #82

It would also support Zimmerman's story that Martin was on top of him Lurks Often Jun 2013 #83

it makes sense to me that Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #84

Let's hope neither of us ever finds ourselves in such a position Lurks Often Jun 2013 #85

In a conrontation between one armed person, and one unarmed person, Pathwalker Jun 2013 #4

I suspect that at the time of the screaming, the gun was not evident Duer 157099 Jun 2013 #6

and I'm of the opinion that the gun was drawn AND cocked the entire time CatWoman Jun 2013 #51

Honestly, that's what I have been thinking as well. Hell Hath No Fury Jun 2013 #7

GZ's injuries are eerily janlyn Jun 2013 #11

that's also a feasible scenario in this case Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #38

That is clearly a young man scream... slor Jun 2013 #17

GZ does not have a deep voice Duer 157099 Jun 2013 #22

I don't think most people have a particularly deep voice when they are screaming in terror. nt MADem Jun 2013 #50

you can't distinguish between a young voice yelling over that of an older voice? CatWoman Jun 2013 #52

One of the witnesses that testified agrees with you Just Saying Jun 2013 #66

I disagree for two reasons � 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #24

****ZIMMERMAN CLAIMED IN VIDEO TM COVERED HIS MOUTH**** uponit7771 Jun 2013 #28

Why? Because he was screaming? Duer 157099 Jun 2013 #29

It's a common thing when you're grappling with somebody Recursion Jun 2013 #32

My conjecture Captain Stern Jun 2013 #39

I cannot dispute any of those 3 scenarios Duer 157099 Jun 2013 #44

An eye witness has testified that she saw a figure on the ground straddled by lumpy Jun 2013 #68

I think the operative word is that you "believe" tech3149 Jun 2013 #43

I will base my opinions on whatever I choose, thank you Duer 157099 Jun 2013 #46

I don't think your defending GZ tech3149 Jun 2013 #57

For a lot of us that just doesn't cut it DeltaLitProf Jun 2013 #70

You know I'm not a juror on this case, right? Duer 157099 Jun 2013 #73

Wild speculation is fun, but I hope the jury avoids it. Vattel Jun 2013 #65

I disagree, but ... ThePhilosopher04 Jun 2013 #67

Rather than basing its decision on a "feeling" DeltaLitProf Jun 2013 #72

I have two comments. Auntie Bush Jun 2013 #76

it really doesn't matter what anyone 'believes' spanone Jun 2013 #81