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72. Rather than basing its decision on a "feeling"

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 11:06 PM

Jun 2013

. . . or an "impression" of what happened, I'd hope the jury actually does its job and considers what the evidence is for or against what both sides contend.

"Feelings" get blacks and poor people convicted of things they didn't do and put in Texas electric chairs.

Please challenge yourself to make decisions in life based on more than just what you "sense" happened. There is no such thing as a psychic or telepath. All we have is evidence.

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I believe it was Zimmerman screaming [View all] Duer 157099 Jun 2013 OP

I think TM didn't get a chance to even hit GZ Politicalboi Jun 2013 #1

Wrong ksoze Jun 2013 #2

Other witnesses put GZ on top Beaverhausen Jun 2013 #8

Now now.. Witness just claimed that he saw multiple MMA style punches... Pelican Jun 2013 #9

MMA style guy recanted months ago.. frylock Jun 2013 #15

Got it.. repeated downward movement with his arm towards the guy's head... Pelican Jun 2013 #18

you've made your decision frylock Jun 2013 #20

I know it seems like that... Pelican Jun 2013 #21

Those sorts of downward arm movements would also be consistent Duer 157099 Jun 2013 #33

Agreed. Another way of saying it might be Adsos Letter Jun 2013 #54

witness has recanted. saw NO blows being thrown.. frylock Jun 2013 #13

Same witness recanted and had multiple versions of his testimoney. Zimmerman trained for MMA fights uponit7771 Jun 2013 #26

The witness has admitted he doesn't know what he saw notadmblnd Jun 2013 #56

This witness is a big help to the defense. Vattel Jun 2013 #69

No,he wasn't on top sreaming for help notadmblnd Jun 2013 #74

The witness in question says that someone was yelling for help when Martin was on top of Zimmerman. Vattel Jun 2013 #78

Perhaps. Igel Jun 2013 #23

several inch long gash? Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #34

If by "several-inch-long gash" you mean Duer 157099 Jun 2013 #35

Yes, the P.A. said one cut was 2 centimeters NOT 2 inches. The other was .5 centimeters and anneboleyn Jun 2013 #53

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2013 #25

Zimmerman outweighed Martin by 37 pounds on the night of the shooting (nt) Captain Stern Jun 2013 #30

Incorrect, police reports Lurks Often Jun 2013 #41

I think all that is both irrelevant and unlikely Warpy Jun 2013 #3

That doesn't make sense to me Duer 157099 Jun 2013 #5

Can you clarify this part? Pelican Jun 2013 #10

He wasn't a cop. Period. Warpy Jun 2013 #12

Ok.. but what made it illegal for him to talk to or interact with Martin? Pelican Jun 2013 #14

He had no real right to confront him, either, Warpy Jun 2013 #16

Based... on... what... law? Pelican Jun 2013 #19

Have you ever had a stranger follow you? I HAVE, by car. I figured it out, pulled into a lot, and WinkyDink Jun 2013 #31

He was also told, by the police dispatcher, to NOT confront TM. nt MADem Jun 2013 #27

Help me understand something about that characterization, because everyone is repeating it Adsos Letter Jun 2013 #37

"We don't need you to do that," is a polite way--to my understanding and when listening MADem Jun 2013 #42

Thanks for clearing that up, MADem. Adsos Letter Jun 2013 #49

I took it as a directive. As I said, perhaps those dispatchers are going to MADem Jun 2013 #55

I'm trying to get some understanding of how dispatchers in that jurisdiction advise callers. Adsos Letter Jun 2013 #59

Could be, or it could be simply a "manner of speaking." MADem Jun 2013 #64

If post #63 is accurate, it seems to be a matter of authority. Adsos Letter Jun 2013 #71

The prime 'supplement' affecting Zimmerman's testosterone might have lumpy Jun 2013 #60

Could be. He killed a young teen who should not have died that day. nt MADem Jun 2013 #62

Umm no. Carlpatrick Jun 2013 #40

When I tell a child or a subordinate, "I don't need you to do that," MADem Jun 2013 #47

Why wasn't it "legally binding" CatWoman Jun 2013 #48

Read Florida Law... Carlpatrick Jun 2013 #63

I wasn't talking to you CatWoman Jun 2013 #75

Yeah you were... Carlpatrick Jun 2013 #79

you joined DU just so you could defend that sorry sack of shit? CatWoman Jun 2013 #77

Not illegal. Just very stupid for a man with a LOADED GUN to CONFRONT a teenager anneboleyn Jun 2013 #58

apparently it was point-blank, if that's the right term.. there were powder burns on the clothing Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #36

The ME classified it as intermediate distance Lurks Often Jun 2013 #45

ok, maybe I misunderstood Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #61

I had to research what the ME considered "intermediate" distance Lurks Often Jun 2013 #80

I just read (somewhere) one person postulating that Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #82

It would also support Zimmerman's story that Martin was on top of him Lurks Often Jun 2013 #83

it makes sense to me that Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #84

Let's hope neither of us ever finds ourselves in such a position Lurks Often Jun 2013 #85

In a conrontation between one armed person, and one unarmed person, Pathwalker Jun 2013 #4

I suspect that at the time of the screaming, the gun was not evident Duer 157099 Jun 2013 #6

and I'm of the opinion that the gun was drawn AND cocked the entire time CatWoman Jun 2013 #51

Honestly, that's what I have been thinking as well. Hell Hath No Fury Jun 2013 #7

GZ's injuries are eerily janlyn Jun 2013 #11

that's also a feasible scenario in this case Voice for Peace Jun 2013 #38

That is clearly a young man scream... slor Jun 2013 #17

GZ does not have a deep voice Duer 157099 Jun 2013 #22

I don't think most people have a particularly deep voice when they are screaming in terror. nt MADem Jun 2013 #50

you can't distinguish between a young voice yelling over that of an older voice? CatWoman Jun 2013 #52

One of the witnesses that testified agrees with you Just Saying Jun 2013 #66

I disagree for two reasons � 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #24

****ZIMMERMAN CLAIMED IN VIDEO TM COVERED HIS MOUTH**** uponit7771 Jun 2013 #28

Why? Because he was screaming? Duer 157099 Jun 2013 #29

It's a common thing when you're grappling with somebody Recursion Jun 2013 #32

My conjecture Captain Stern Jun 2013 #39

I cannot dispute any of those 3 scenarios Duer 157099 Jun 2013 #44

An eye witness has testified that she saw a figure on the ground straddled by lumpy Jun 2013 #68

I think the operative word is that you "believe" tech3149 Jun 2013 #43

I will base my opinions on whatever I choose, thank you Duer 157099 Jun 2013 #46

I don't think your defending GZ tech3149 Jun 2013 #57

For a lot of us that just doesn't cut it DeltaLitProf Jun 2013 #70

You know I'm not a juror on this case, right? Duer 157099 Jun 2013 #73

Wild speculation is fun, but I hope the jury avoids it. Vattel Jun 2013 #65

I disagree, but ... ThePhilosopher04 Jun 2013 #67

Rather than basing its decision on a "feeling" DeltaLitProf Jun 2013 #72

I have two comments. Auntie Bush Jun 2013 #76

it really doesn't matter what anyone 'believes' spanone Jun 2013 #81