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22. Stand Your Ground only means no legal requirement to retreat

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 11:19 PM

Jun 2013

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even in duty to retreat laws, if they exist. Even then, you are only expected to retreat if you think you safely can. Most places that don't have SYG is actually based on common law like California and Wyoming.
That said, the State has to prove it. So far, they are not. Following someone doesn't make them a threat under the "reasonable person standard" which these laws are based. If Zim swung first or pulled the gun, then you would be correct. There is no evidence of that so far.
I am convinced Martin hit Zimmerman.
direct examination by the State

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The Zimmerman trial is a farce. He's going to walk and Rachel is going to look like the criminal. [View all] kelliekat44 Jun 2013 OP

at some point trayvon may have tried DesertFlower Jun 2013 #1

That's doubtful. Zimmerman's DNA was not on Travon's skin. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #19

so how did zimmerman get the bloody nose DesertFlower Jun 2013 #21

a bloody gun which is where Z's blood is uponit7771 Jun 2013 #51

For what it's worth I simply do not agree with your assesment nor the general 'what the Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #2

Your right to disagree. My right to my opinon. nt kelliekat44 Jun 2013 #10

Of course. Did I imply otherwise? No I did not, you just snarked anyway. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #15

the trial is over, then? elehhhhna Jun 2013 #3

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Yes - Chick Jagger and Buff Naked REP Jun 2013 #14

They are beautiful! CrispyQ Jun 2013 #31

Thanks! REP Jun 2013 #38

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I am at a loss as to what a jury could possibly think of all this. HiddenAgenda63 Jun 2013 #32

That's what good defense attorneys always do davidn3600 Jun 2013 #49

Her basic story did not change Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #52

joke AFJROTCcadetEcho Jun 2013 #7

"The biggest joke in history?" How so? That's a lot of jokes to choose from! arcane1 Jun 2013 #8

That would be Bush. bravenak Jun 2013 #34

and you just signed on here to make this statement? very credible noiretextatique Jul 2013 #56

Maybe people shouldn't have pressured the DA to bring charges before he was ready Recursion Jun 2013 #11

Maybe the DA is doing just fine. yardwork Jun 2013 #13

I've been watching some of it, and it's not going well for the prosecution kudzu22 Jun 2013 #16

When prosecution witnesses confirm Zimmerman's account then it is not a strong case. hack89 Jun 2013 #17

in spite of the the desperate attempts by some to alter reality noiretextatique Jun 2013 #18

It never did. yardwork Jun 2013 #20

Stand Your Ground only means no legal requirement to retreat gejohnston Jun 2013 #22

Zimmerman was following Martin with a gun. His own words recorded on the 911 tape document that. yardwork Jun 2013 #23

only if Zimmerman had the gun in his hand. gejohnston Jun 2013 #24

Zimmerman was following Martin in a manner that concerned Martin. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #25

Is that Florida's definition of "stalker" or your own? dkf Jun 2013 #27

not under Florida law gejohnston Jun 2013 #29

It's looking that way to me too. I sure as hell hope Florida isn't prosecuting this shadowrider Jun 2013 #37

It is due to media and political pressure gejohnston Jun 2013 #39

Zimmerman admits he was following Martin. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #40

no one is disputing he was gejohnston Jun 2013 #44

Chasing someone for 4-5 minutes... running.... then yelling at them who are you what are you MillennialDem Jun 2013 #46

not sure, but gejohnston Jun 2013 #47

Your answer is rife with sexism Shivering Jemmy Jun 2013 #33

that is the historical legal term gejohnston Jun 2013 #35

I think Rachel did fine. Just Saying Jun 2013 #26

Maybe they didn't have enough to work with. dkf Jun 2013 #28

Didn't Zimmerman decline medical treatment right after the incident? --nt CrispyQ Jun 2013 #30

He didn't decline medical treatment, he was treated at the scene. He declined a trip to the hospital shadowrider Jun 2013 #36

Thanks for the clarification. --nt CrispyQ Jun 2013 #45

He declined to be seen by another medical expert, he wounds were superficial as desbribed by his FP uponit7771 Jun 2013 #53

I haven't watched many trials, but this is by far the worst prosecution case I have ever seen. Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #41

Zimmerman could walk. But Rachel did fine. DirkGently Jun 2013 #42

true, but gejohnston Jun 2013 #50

Been Commenting On This A Lot Since Yesterday... ChiciB1 Jun 2013 #43

I can say Casey Anthony gejohnston Jun 2013 #48

With all respect, don't assume you know the jury. longship Jun 2013 #54

Overcharge with 2nd degree HockeyMom Jun 2013 #55