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(114,904 posts) Sat Jun 29, 2013, 05:10 AM Jun 2013

The FISA Court is deplorable shite and has no fucking place in a democracy [View all]

That was true in 1978 and it's even truer now that its been expanded and given more power.

Of the 33,000 or so requests made to the FISA court, only 11 have been rejected.

Last year there were 1,856 requests resulting in almost 34,000 warrants issued, which demonstrates pretty clearly that the requests are for mass warrants.

As Russell Tice, former NSA analyst said, it's a kangaroo court with a rubber stamp.

It's a system ripe for abuse with no checks and no way to find out how abusive it may be.

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The FISA Court is deplorable shite and has no fucking place in a democracy [View all] cali Jun 2013 OP

Well stated. Recommended. nt sibelian Jun 2013 #1

k&r MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #2

What's wrong with a secret interpretation of law being "monitored" by secret Bonobo Jun 2013 #3

according to many duers, not a damned thing. cali Jun 2013 #5

It's NOT the government behind the spying, it's corporate contractors. fasttense Jun 2013 #6

oh please. it's both. and it's the government leading the way. cali Jun 2013 #35

K&R newfie11 Jun 2013 #4

knr Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #7

So, how do you propose we fix that problem? DCBob Jun 2013 #8

How about appointing an attorney in every case to oppose the government? cali Jun 2013 #10

Yes, I think changes like that should be discussed and might work. DCBob Jun 2013 #11

That's a joke, right? Narkos Jun 2013 #12

It would surely bring down the unemployment rate. reusrename Jun 2013 #61

Oh right because treestar Jun 2013 #64

Change the law. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #58

But what about worshiping Snowden? East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #9

Really? Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #14

I didn't think I needed the sarcasm smilie. East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #15

My bad! Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #23

No problem. East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #25

Getting ENTIRELY impossible to tell now... sibelian Jun 2013 #27

Spooky is what it is. East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #41

Correct. Secrecy and democracy have nothing to do with each other. nt bemildred Jun 2013 #13

So no more infiltrating the KKK or trying to catch child predators or organized crime? randome Jun 2013 #17

Why not arrest them all? Violent murderers and assholes you don't need to fuck around with. bemildred Jun 2013 #18

You can't arrest someone until you have evidence. randome Jun 2013 #24

These are totalitarian police state tactics, Sir. bemildred Jun 2013 #26

Often there are cases where there is "evidence" but not enough to file charges or make an arrest.. DCBob Jun 2013 #29

Right, and then you leave them alone and respect their rights until you get evidence. bemildred Jun 2013 #31

Right, but the FBI might be listening to their phone calls to get that evidence. DCBob Jun 2013 #33

Quite. nt bemildred Jun 2013 #34

You do not 'leave alone' a suspected child molester. You try to get evidence. randome Jun 2013 #39

Your suspicion does not give you any rights to infringe someone elses rights. Period. bemildred Jun 2013 #66

They don't need to break the law. sibelian Jun 2013 #28

Like Snowden did? randome Jun 2013 #47

The na�vet� is stunning, isn't it! treestar Jun 2013 #65

The process, so I've heard on DU... randome Jun 2013 #16

You make it sound like the problem caseymoz Jun 2013 #19

excellent point. The approval rate cali Jun 2013 #21

Courts have a similar approval rate, though caseymoz Jun 2013 #60

"1,856 requests resulting in almost 34,000 warrants issued" JaneyVee Jun 2013 #20

gotta link to your claims? cali Jun 2013 #22

You mean a "leak" to her claim... Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #30

Leaked stuff? Metadata collection isn't new. And there are more sources on this than just JaneyVee Jun 2013 #43

"And there are more sources on this than just the government" Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #48

You can find out about all the judges on FISC, they are public JaneyVee Jun 2013 #53

you need some purty blue links Skittles Jun 2013 #62

You'd prefer that government not answer your questions? randome Jun 2013 #44

I've yet to see an attempt to reveal undercover agents other than from Cheney. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #46

We all want more transparency and less secrecy with the NSA. randome Jun 2013 #49

I guess you know from our prior interactions that I pretty much share that view. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #52

Yes, it is easy to get caught up in one side or another. randome Jun 2013 #57

You really think they meticulously perused all 34,000 warrents? East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #38

The judges are the ones who split the warrants, not the FedGov. So I guess, being that JaneyVee Jun 2013 #50

+1000000 n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #32

good morning Catherina cali Jun 2013 #37

Good morning to you lol! Catherina Jun 2013 #45

So ProSense Jun 2013 #36

I'm saying reform it. cali Jun 2013 #42

That's the rub, I think. We cannot know exactly what to reform, since HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #56

Wow, what is all the timbling about, the Fourth Amendment is being followed and now there are Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #40

Agreed. Call your Congressman Recursion Jun 2013 #51

fortunately, I don't have to. that his position cali Jun 2013 #54

Fair enough. And mine can't vote, though she agrees (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #55

Before FISA was passed there were no checks on the Executive treestar Jun 2013 #59

Except that before it treestar Jun 2013 #63