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LooseWilly

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33. There were plenty of wars between '50-'92... but the "variables" indicate previous surrender...
Wed Feb 15, 2012, 03:49 AM
Feb 2012

If one takes the variables

"Democracy"— obviously defined as a system of voting of which the US, and NATO, approves (hint: when Palestinians "Democratically" elect Hamas representatives, this is defined as "not democratic"... hence, "Democracy" is not a definition of process, but of results);

"Open Markets" — obviously an index of the openness of markets to privatized control (Bechtel semi-recently tried to privatize rainfall water in Bolivia: http://www.democracynow.org/2006/10/5/bolivian_activist_oscar_olivera_on_bechtels);

Development (an index of indebtedness to the WTO/IMF for development projects?);

and "interest similarity"— interests chosen by whom?...

One quickly sees that the reasons for a lower likelihood of war between powers that shared the dynamic, as defined, is not the result of any virtue of "capitalism", but rather simple truism— why would imperialist powers spend resources fighting with those who had already been conquered?

Democracies that vote as the "powers" like are good. Markets where it is conceivable that Bechtel, or some other corporation, can "copyright" rainwater ... is "good". Governments in debt to Halliburton for "Development" are good. Governments who are intent on keeping the population docile and hard-working in the effort to extract resources to export (to pay off the debt financing of the "Development" projects being carried out by Halliburton, et. al.) are good. Governments keeping their hard working populations working on the development of projects being carried out by Halliburton which are privatizeable (like rainwater collection) but funded by IMF development loans to be paid back with huge interest payments... are really really good governments in the context of these neo-imperialist analyses.

"Interest Similarity" is a handy synonym for Yale/Oxford educated officials of neo-colonized governments who... share the same development interests... and who will (once the "heroic" local service is complete) soon enough be working together in some capacity or other.

Basically... your article is spinning the fact that it would've been unprofitable for any capitalist imperialist governments to go to war with subservient neo-colonized governments during the time frame... and trying to spin that subservient relationship as being a positive for the neo-colonized... perhaps hoping that some of the newer neo-colony dwellers will swallow the bullshit and pretend that the privatization of their rainwater, among other things, is a good thing...

Keep up the good fight for the Neo Colonists BrentWil!!...

I'm sure there's as good a chance of your being rewarded for your efforts as there is a chance that Democratic elections of Hamas officials in Gaza will be respected by those who would like to believe your "Democracy breeds peace" propaganda spew...

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I like the idea for discussion-- and I generally disagree with your premise... mike_c Feb 2012 #1
I will be happy to exchange ideas whenever you are back NT BrentWil Feb 2012 #2
Peace at the barrel of a gun...... marmar Feb 2012 #3
I would agree to somewhat.. BrentWil Feb 2012 #4
Two states that are "capitalist" are less likely to fight... like Germany and the UK in 1914? LooseWilly Feb 2012 #30
"Auferre trucidare rapere falsis nominis imperium, atque ubi solitudinem faciunt pacem appellant" alcibiades_mystery Feb 2012 #5
We have made some huge foreign policy mistakes... but what have we turned into a desert? BrentWil Feb 2012 #6
Living standards in Iraq are worse than before the war Lydia Leftcoast Feb 2012 #7
Huge steps forward in some ways, yes. white_wolf Feb 2012 #11
Capitalism makes a desert alcibiades_mystery Feb 2012 #15
Lemme see, according to Congressman Filner nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #27
Don't forget the depleted uranium munitions we dropped all over Serbia during the Kosovo War. nt Selatius Feb 2012 #32
Two World Wars disagree with your premise. white_wolf Feb 2012 #8
I think the author wouldn't argue that it makes more impossible, just less likely NT BrentWil Feb 2012 #12
LOL. Capitalism = Endless War. Odin2005 Feb 2012 #9
ignoring WWI, WWII, etc. just discard all the inconvenient conflicts. Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #10
The general argument is that war is less likely, not impossible NT BrentWil Feb 2012 #13
Less likely than what? Than feudalism? alcibiades_mystery Feb 2012 #16
Well, it looks at the years between 1950-92. BrentWil Feb 2012 #19
The capitalist powers were less likely to go to war, because they were united against a common foe white_wolf Feb 2012 #20
But does it fall apart after 92? I mean, off hand, I can't think of many examples of two countries BrentWil Feb 2012 #22
Given your timeframe, it's just as legitimate alcibiades_mystery Feb 2012 #21
There were no huge wars because both sides had nuclear weapons, not necessarily due to trade. Selatius Feb 2012 #31
There were plenty of wars between '50-'92... but the "variables" indicate previous surrender... LooseWilly Feb 2012 #33
This is what he uses and the rational BrentWil Feb 2012 #54
cherry pick much? Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #34
He just uses the data set that most political scientist use: BrentWil Feb 2012 #56
the general argument was made 20 years ago and was self-serving stupid then Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #18
History says otherwise MadHound Feb 2012 #14
When the machines for war are a commodity in a capitalist society, DJ13 Feb 2012 #17
Mmmmmm.......how's that been workin' for ya so far? kestrel91316 Feb 2012 #23
obvious that gov must be an adversary of criminal capitalism tiny elvis Feb 2012 #24
imperialism is the highest stage of capitalism. provis99 Feb 2012 #25
I do not agree. PowerToThePeople Feb 2012 #26
Of course there is another problem with this argument nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #28
Correlation is not causation. JDPriestly Feb 2012 #29
If capitalism is libtodeath Feb 2012 #35
I think you are dead wrong. GeorgeGist Feb 2012 #36
.. mdmc Feb 2012 #37
If this assertion is true, then clearly the world is not now tledford Feb 2012 #38
Actually conflict is generally trending downwards... NT BrentWil Feb 2012 #40
Totally! If it weren't for capitalism raouldukelives Feb 2012 #39
Huh? mmonk Feb 2012 #41
Of course you have to willfully ignore the overwhelming abundance of evidence to the contrary. Edweird Feb 2012 #42
lol... yeah, convincing fascisthunter Feb 2012 #43
Now let's try some facts: TBF Feb 2012 #44
The argument is that two states with an open market are less likely to fight a war... BrentWil Feb 2012 #45
We have been at war through our entire existence, which means the study is whack. nt TBF Feb 2012 #48
"open markets" often being a tidy neoliberal euphemism.. girl gone mad Feb 2012 #49
I think it just means generally free economic interactions between states. BrentWil Feb 2012 #53
The US ceased being Capitalist decades ago Creideiki Feb 2012 #46
How are we not capitalist? white_wolf Feb 2012 #47
Capitalists wage war on countries all the time lunatica Feb 2012 #50
I would disagree... BrentWil Feb 2012 #52
Trade, and open borders have always helped to lead to peace. RB TexLa Feb 2012 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author whatchamacallit Feb 2012 #55
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